@whalekeeper
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My calculations also show that your profile pic is in complete harmony with the words you have articulated
Hehehehehehehe
If Emotional Side were here, she would probably laugh, but again, she’s too busy being pathetic.
Emotional sides are not pathetic, my dear KPer. They are the path to discovering ourselves. 😁
Edit: A path, not the only path. *Throws wisdom around like glitter*
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I used to be pretty combative. I’ve learned to be nice, after much trial and error. And belonging to a class where each of the eight students, my besties, are from eight different kinds of churches. They gave me a lot of character development. XD
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😳 *Blushes* Errr… Well, it’s the result of too much experience in debates. 😅♥️ I appreciate the compliment, and I don’t think anyone here is acting too meanly. It’s pretty normal to feel triggered when your own beliefs are questioned. I feel that way all the time.
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I now step out of further discussion on this front XD
Lol I respect that. XD I also see how praying to Mary isn’t worship for a lot of believers.
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Oh I’m not leaving!
I think I might be able to rephrase what the others are saying. To us, it’s strange to pray to Mary because it is never mentioned in the Bible. It always says we should pray to God, it never says to pray to anyone else.
Acts 9:36-41: Peter prays to Tabitha, a disciple who had died. Hm, why would he pray to a dead man? Oh, maybe this is one reason!
If you read that passage, it says Tabitha died. Peter started praying in the same room, then turned to Tabitha and tells her to get up. It seems a lot like Peter prayed to God, asking Him to raise Tabitha from her deathbed.
Revelation 5:8; 8:3-4: Saints and angels present prayers to God in heaven. They present the prayers TO God and prayer for us.
These passages say nothing about living saints praying to dead saints. It says the saints are praying to God. ‘Saints’ refers to believers.
Do you have any other passages to share? I bet there are more passages since this is such an old part of Catholic tradition.
😬 I disagree with this a little. You cannot go off JUST the Bible, you need prayer too. And plus others can teach you a lot about God. So no, I do not “just” believe in the Bible.
This is probably where the discussion will have to end, because we’ve now found the basis for our difference. I believe in one source of authority – God’s Holy Word. (Prayer is a part of the Word, we’re talking about how the Word tells us to pray.) You believe in multiple authorities.
The concept of authority is a lot harder to debate, because every argument would be circular reasoning, so this is as far as we can go . 😅 I would love to hear other passages within the Bible which are proofs for your beliefs, though!
I would say that it would be Rae with the flame thrower…
Hehe
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😂😂 Accurate. I wondered if this topic was going to come up. The best part is, I’m a Protestant but I’m totally clocking out of this conversation. 🤣
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I’m not going to say anything about the prayer-through-saints idea, but I will say the Catholic church has magnificent art and culture which I respect.
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Bro, the art is super good. You’re dedicated and it clearly shows; well done.
Hold up, get this girl a record deal.
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Do you have a plan for the front cover? (Ignore this question if you’re swamped with thoughts for the illustrations XD)
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My grandfather and his second wife hate Calvinism with a passion. I do not wish to go into any further details besides the entire thing in the past couple years paired with the death of someone very close to my heart caused a rift between God and I that I am still trying to fix.
If that means what I think it means, your grandmother was a very strong and brave woman.
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Oh, I should answer this question.
A little. Still leaves some room for questions.
What I am understanding is, you believe that Jesus told us to continue baptism and such, but matrimony is more of just a bonding with one another under God, rather than holding any sacramental value?
I’m going to quickly define two words here.
Covenant – A promise. (Obviously it’s bigger than an everyday promise, and it has deep relationship implications, but this’ll do.)
Sacrament – A sign/seal of a covenant. Often something physical. The rainbow was a sign of the covenant between God and Noah, it was not the covenant itself.
Marriage is functionally a covenant between a man and a woman with God as the ultimate officiator.
The sacraments – Last Supper and Baptism – are a sign of the Gospel covenant, which is the covenant between God and man, through Christ.
See how they are different covenants?
Marriage has some important parallels with the relationship between Christ and the Church, so I can definitely see how it could be a sacrament in some churches. But there are some reasons why I think it isn’t the same. For one thing, God doesn’t encourage every Christian to marry. With Baptism and Communion, there are benefits for everyone, and we’re encouraged to participate in those.
Hope that makes sense. ^_^ You’re also totally free to disagree, I still love the symbolism in marriage and I get why Catholics call it a sacrament.
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It legitimately fascinates me. Anyway. XD
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