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@seekjustice Oh, and about the flower thing…that’s cool in a fictional tale, but wouldn’t it be awkward in real life? I mean, how do you tell whether the flowers are intended for speech or whether they’re intended for loveliness? If the guy gave the girl “will you marry me” flowers, and the girl gave the guy “yes” flowers back, then the girl thinks they’re engaged, but the guy thinks he just gave her some pretty flowers…
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And totally agree with the flowers things by the way 😛 That’s the kind of stuff that only works in fiction where you can be sure both parties are adept in the language.
Exactly right. It would be hugely annoying 😛
I feel there are extremely few guys who like flowers as much as Quillon does 🙂 in fact, when it comes to flowers guys are even more unimaginative than in their proposals. Red roses are the only thing they understand.
I actually think you would have more luck vowing vengeance on someone with a flower though, than proposing marriage. I can’t think of any flower that means that.
Oh, have you ever heard the song “The Proposal” from the Jane Eyre musical? That’s a good example of an extremely badly done proposal, but Jane still says yes for some reason.
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Oh I’ve never watched that musical but I checked out the lyrics for that song and… does it sound better in the actual soundtrack?
@valtmy Hello again! There is so much stuff that works in fiction but wouldn’t work in real life! 🙂
@seekjustice Ha, yeah. 😛 I did read one book where there was a guy who used flowers other than roses, but it was only one kind, white carnations, and I think he gave them to the girl no more than twice or three times at extremely significant moments. But at least they weren’t red roses, right? 😉No, I haven’t heard that. I’ll give it a listen in a bit. I watched an opera once where they had a whole several-minute-long song where they repeated over and over “we must flee, we must escape” and what do you know? They got caught at the end of the song. Now, if they’d just cut down on all the repetitive singing and escaped while they still had time…
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Haha, no not really. I don’t really think Jane Eyre is a prime musical example.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
Well said. That is, in fact, the primary lesson I’ve been trying to pound into my characters’ heads.
I see. Jane Eyre’s actual speech in the book was very beautiful so seeing the words butchered up like that in the lyrics was just weird so I didn’t have very high hopes that it’ll be a good song.
Were the white carnations for any particular reason? Or did he just like them?
That wasn’t particularly smart of them. I mean, if you stopped singing and actually did something you wouldn’t be in this here fix.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
In my opinion, most of the musical is awkward attempts to stick passages straight from the book to music.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
That’s no way to adapt a book into a musical. Though I can’t really think of too many book-to-musical adaptations to give as examples…
Well, there’s Matilda which I watched in London. It was quite good because they actually wrote songs for the scenes instead of just blatantly ripping off the lines.
I haven’t seen Matilda, but I think Les Mis, The Count of Monte Cristo and The Phantom of the Opera are all good book adaptions, though POTO changes a lot of the plot.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
@valtmy Why pound it into your characters’ heads when they can act however they want, seeing as they are themselves in a fictional work? 😛
@seekjustice It’s hard to tell, because the book was written from the girl’s POV, and she said they were her favorite flowers, but I don’t think she ever told him that. I think he just bought them because he liked them the first time, and the other time(s) because he was sentimental and wanted the connection to the first time. I’m just glad they weren’t red roses, and leave it at that. 😉
@valtmy One book-to-musical adaption which I think was done really well was Liliom to Carousel. The book/play Liliom is well written, but a horrible story, but Carousel took it and made the characters more likeable, using some good things from the book and putting in some new scenes which made the storyline not so depressing.SeekJustice…might give you a little different story on that, however. She hates them both. 😉 (But the Soliloquy is amazing any way you look at it.)
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My characters are acting however they want. Whether things work out for them, though, is up to me, their author. 😛
Never heard of that one. So your definition of a “horrible story” consists of unlikable characters and depressing storylines?
Oh right. Forgot about Les Mis and Phantom. How could I? 😛
I see 🙂 Well, red roses I think go with the unimaginative proposal. They’re rather boring and over done now 😀
*gallantly refrains from commenting on Carousel*
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@valtmy I know, how could you? In general though, I think they’re both pretty good book adaptions and Hollywood writers would do well to study them.
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