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Well, Enjolras actually seems like a balanced mixture of no-nonsense, sense, briskness and actual…politeness. Justice lacks politeness. and sense. and basically everything other than revolutionary fervour.
In fairness, the original window scene was entirely a practical thing. A “oh-she-locked-the-door-in-that-case-I’ll-talk-to-her-through-the-open-window” sort of thing. There wasn’t anything romantic about it in my eyes. So it wasn’t like I was trying to manipulate you or anything. 😀
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
@alia Let me repeat! I wasn’t trying to get anyone to ship anyone through the window scene. Also I’m still confused by Justice’s attempts to flirt with Chessy because all attempts for anyone to flirt with him in the first book met with zero success.
The amount of things that confuse me about my own book confuses me.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
I like him as a character. I think what you’ve done with him is interesting. As a person though… I find him really cold and stiff in SFI. I don’t know what Chessy sees in him. I think it runs in the family. Chessy, Sapphire, Jean… they all seem to have really bad taste and judgment when it comes to relationships. I don’t think he can quite capture the glory of Enjolras given how much you have tarnished him and I don’t think he should due to the emphasis of how misguided the rebellion was.
In WIIE, Justice is much more passive which I think is fitting since he’s being all angsty and struggling with his trauma and the original Charles Darnay is very passive as well so there’s not much that can be done there. I would have loved to see how the twist with Zac being the one that is saved would have gone though. That would have been more in line with the active character Justice was in SFI.
For the third book, is Justice going to be the
Scarlet PimpernelRed Valerian? 😀 That just might make me like him more.@seekjustice, aren’t we all? Confused by our own writings I mean.
Hey, maybe he was flirting with her in the same way she flirted with him was so that she wouldn’t like him like that. Yep, thats my theory and I’m sticking with it
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Kapeefer til we're old and grey@alia Well, window scenes don’t mean as much to you as they do to me. 😉 I tell my sister, “If some guy ever asks you how to make me like him, tell him to talk to me through a window.” 😛 I don’t know, there’s just something really romantic about window scenes, to me. Mostly from the Patty Fairfield series.
@seekjustice I don’t know the backstory for Enjolras, but about Justice…most twenty-year-old guys whose parents were hand-off don’t have much sense or politeness. Just look at the news. 😛 If you need an ideal man, you already have Quillon and Jonas, right?"Sylvester - Sylvester!"
@rochellaine, honestly, if a guy did that to me I’d find it pretty darn romantic, but like I said, there’s just something about those two. I don’t even know what it is, but for some reason I do not ship them. No clue why.
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Kapeefer til we're old and greyFair enough. And yes, Enjolras is very much a noble character with a noble revolution, whereas Justice most definitely is not.
And yes, it would have been very interesting. I’m sure @rochellaine wishes I’d done it. 😀
haha… 😀 Can you imagine Justice saving rich people from the guillotine? 😛 Its not him.
@alia Okey dokey 😀Enjolras has no backstory, which is why originally Justice had no backstory either. Most of his life came to being as I tried to work out why Justice and Zac just happened to look like each other.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
Oh right another thing I forgot to mention. There was this part where Chessy was saying that Justice could get others to respect but not love him. That was true but something about it also confused me. There were other revolutionaries like Quillon and Jonas that seem mature so I was struggling to understand why they would go along with Justice’s rather foolish plans. Everything seemed to have happened in a relatively short time frame (Justice giving the money to Sapphire and then he quickly becomes a revolutionary leader after that) so I was wondering just how Justice managed to win their respect and loyalty.
Instead of saving rich people, Justice could save those that were wrongly condemned.
Oh and I see you asked me to answer the questions that you have put at the end of WIIE. Do you want me to answer here or in the doc?
Justice is only one revolutionary leader out of a large number, even if that wasn’t necessarily made clear in the first draft. Also, the revolutionary group existed before Justice came along. He just took charge because he’s the bossy sort. And can you imagine Jonas leading a revolution?
That’s true. But I thought that would be too obvious, since he is the main love interest. Everyone (including Chessy) would assume its him.
I don’t mind, whichever’s easier for you. Its getting kinda crowded over there so you could answer them here if you wanted.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
@alia During the first book I got pretty annoyed with Chessy for falling for an unbeliever. That situation was resolved in the second book, and because I began to feel more sorry for Justice, (and because of the window scenes,) I didn’t mind them getting together. I really thought she was going to go for Zac more, though. I would have… 😛 Well, except in the beginning. I didn’t like Zac at all at first, because I thought he was really bad at flirting. I like flirting when it’s done well, but not the exaggerated kind he was attempting.
@seekjustice That would have been an amazing plot twist! And I would have cried for Justice. And Zac would be alive!!!! That would be…well, like I said, amazing! 😛
@valtmy Hm, that’s something I hadn’t thought of. I can think of a reason, though. There can be many great men, but the one who is willing and able to bring them all together will be the leader. It seems like those such as Jonas, Quillon, and Chandler were all wishing for something to happen, but unable to make it happen on their own. Often a stranger is the easiest for everyone to follow, since electing a leader from themselves could lead to jealousy or resistance.What do you think? And you, SeekJustice?
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@rochellaine, yeah, I guess that is part of it. Probably the main reason I don’t ship them because it wasn’t til near the end of book two that I got the impression that Justice made the faith his own and not simply thinking believing in God was all that mattered.
Ooh, and I agree with what you said to @valtmy about the whole leader thing.
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Kapeefer til we're old and greyDon’t blame Zac. It’s just that I’m really bad at flirting.
And yes, it would have been really interesting (except my sister. of course, lives in the same house as me, so I wouldn’t dare). Also, one of the cons I had written down for the point of killing Zac was: “He wouldn’t get to be with Neva”. ?????? Why would Zac want to be with Neva? Why would Neva want to be with Zac, more importantly?
Rochellaine explained that much better than me. And that’s my sort of reason. Jonas, Quillon, Chandler, Lauren etc all had something to contribute to change, but not necessarily the means or power to do so. Justice did, so he became the leader.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
@seekjustice, well Zac still flirted better than I can. Which isn’t saying much because A. I don’t flirt, and B. I’m sure I would be terrible at it. But hey! At least Zac is better than someone
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Kapeefer til we're old and greyGoodness, Zac’s doing better than me in the fact that he has someone to flirt with at all!
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
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