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@seekjustice, I didn’t really like Justice in book one either because I felt like he was a robot. He didn’t feel very realistic to me except for him not wanting anyone to die. But even that was more like he didn’t want anyone else to die.
Oh good, I thought for sure I was going crazy with that thought
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Kapeefer til we're old and grey@seekjustice, @rochellaine, just to be clear, beta readers are kind of what y’all are doing with @valtmy ‘s and what you did with Seekjustice’s book, right? where you read it part by part and critique it?
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Kapeefer til we're old and greyI think that’s the way he’s supposed to appear for the most part, but hopefully I’m making him more human in the second draft.
Well, I think that taken out of context it fits them both perfectly. They aren’t so much wanting to be better in order to honour their parents, though, but rather to prove themselves. So its a bit different, but the lyrics fit mostly either way.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
Yep, in a nutshell 😀
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
@seekjustice, I get him appearing like that in someone else’s POV, but when it was like that in his too is when it started bothering me a bit.
Yeah, I don’t think they care much about honouring (yes auto correct there is a u in honour) their parents. 😉
great.
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Kapeefer til we're old and grey@seekjustice Actually, contrary to what @alia said, I felt Justice was very realistic. He was stiff, and I pretty much despised him, but I despised him as a human, not as a badly written character, because I thought he was very well written.
I hope you don’t humanize him too much in the revisions, because it would ruin his character.
Little things, like the line I pointed out earlier, where he says “She loves me, she loves me.” make him more human, but we need the stiff, fierce revolutionary, not a softer version of him.
"Sylvester - Sylvester!"
@rochellaine, I agree with you on the most part, but I just didn’t feel much realisticness from him in his own POV
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Kapeefer til we're old and grey@alia He didn’t have his own POV in book one, so that’s not a problem, right? 😉 In book two, we were introduced to a man broken by the deaths of nearly all his followers who was struggling with his newfound faith and his impossibly horrible memories. I felt the drastic change was very realistic, especially once we got to know his backstory. So I liked the way his character was written. I didn’t notice any strangeness about his POV particularly, though.
What things specifically did you not like about his POV?
"Sylvester - Sylvester!"
Oooh, I love conflicting opinions! 😛
Personally, I believe he was too emotionless in the first book and waaay too angsty in the second. Neither side of Justice quite captures the glory of Enjolras, which was what I was going for.
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
@seekjustice @rochellaine @alia
Hey guys. I’m here now.
Ooh a discussion on SFI which I can actually participate in now…
@rochellaine, wait, he didn’t? Never mind, ignore what I said then I thought he did and that annoyed me, but if it was all what other people saw then it makes sense and is fine.
(but I still didn’t like him as a person, that I know)
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Kapeefer til we're old and greyYour opinions on Justice? Did you like him or not?
(Did anyone like Justice excepting my sister?)
INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.
@seekjustice I don’t think he needs to be a copy of another character. Like we discussed once, your characters are mix and matches of all the different characters from the original. So if the “glory of Enjolras” as you call it, doesn’t get fully portrayed in Justice, maybe some of it shows up in the other characters.
The characters that are exact copies of original characters are not as interesting, because we know what to expect. The characters that are different and introduce mixed or new elements are what bring twists and surprises to what would be an unoriginal story if no new elements were introduced.
@alia Oh, I completely despised him in Stars. I didn’t ship him with Chessy at all, and said so many times over, as SeekJustice can affirm. 😛 She added the window scenes in the second book specifically to try to get me to ship him and Chessy…and it worked… 😛"Sylvester - Sylvester!"
@seekjustice Remember, @jenwriter17 shipped Justice and Chessy, so she must have liked him a bit. 😉
(speaking to your comment to @valtmy )
"Sylvester - Sylvester!"
@rochellaine, well I guess @seekjustice failed with getting me to ship them through the window scene, because I like them as friends and really hope Chessy gets over liking him and he gets over liking her because I really like them as friends, but not as a couple. I don’t know, its just something about them together doesn’t appeal to me
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