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@leon-fleming
Oooh I’m glad you had an idea!! Theme is so fun to talk about, lol. 😁 Really gets the mind imaging.
I have about 10 main characters in the first book of my series, as well as a host of side characters. A few of thoses become important later in the series too, lol. Of course, it helps when some are killed off, then you have more room for more. 😜 And of course, having them meet is soooo much fun it can’t even be explained.
One thing I’ve discovered in my writing journey is that sometimes, sometimes, the rules must be broken. I’m talking specifically when it comes to tying storylines all together in one climactic part. Of course, since your story is all fiction/fantasy, it’s easier to do that since you can control all of their character arcs…but for me, working with both historical and fictional characters, it made it almost impossible for me to have one climax happen at the same time/place for every character. You can’t change history, and you can’t force anything on a character if it makes them go out of…well, character.
It was such a huge struggle for me to realize this, but in the end I figured out that it was okay to not have all the characters have their climaxes at the same time. Who are the first book, the one main climax happens for 75% of the characters…the other 25% have theirs a little before or after the main one. As long as I stick to a general structure for everyone’s character arc, I feel good about it.
Hope you are able to get yours all smoothed out! Take it from me, once it starts clicking together is going to feel amazing, and it will motivate you to write all the more. 😁😉
@jenwriter17 Lol same, I have two WIPs and they never leave me alone so I have to try to write both of them at once 😂
<p style=”text-align: center;”>Oooh, any story that touches on racism has my interest piqued already…my medieval story has some set up of nation vs nation and false things believed on both sides, so thats kind of there as well…and I think it’s a great topic to touch on, ’cause it’s always been there and will probably always be as long as there’s a sinful human being on earth. Keep up the good theme ideas. 👏👏</p>Oh, me too. A good theme makes the story, because a good theme is so deeply rooted in to the character’s arc that it almost ceases to become a theme and is just part of the character’s struggle. It adds such a depth, doesn’t it?! I love theme so much. Honestly, when I want to just throw up my hands and give up, the story themes is what draws me back every time.
Loyalty IS extremely complex, which is one reason why I love it. Trust is right in there with it though, I got excited at the possibilities with just that little bit you described! What is your genre and general plot again? Sorry if I asked you already, lol.
When do I come up with the theme…well, it’s typically before the drafting begins, but during the outlining stage. It’s normally when I’m brainstorming character arcs that I come up with a theme, because I look for/find connections between characters that might help show a point in something they’re struggling with.
I’m a crazy outliner and planner, btw, it’s my main weakness. 😂 I could outline for eternity, but I’ve forced myself to stop at certain points and just try to write the thing.
Honestly I feel very blessed because finding the themes for my two WIP were one of the biggest things that just seemed to click perfectly into place. They were kinda there under the surface I guess and after I studied theme for a while I just…found them, lol.
Do you have Google Hangouts? I have your email, we could chat about story in more detail without clogging up the form 😂
@kathleenramm Also you’re going to see my real name, which I’m fine with, just keep it on that down low would ya 😉
@kathleenramm Eeeeeek how did I just now see this?! Well I guess I have been kinda on a internet break for the past three days (my family does those every once in awhile.) I’ll send you something asap!! 😁
*also whispers* Oh it’s so certainly like a library but I have a feeling this is where writers gather in small groups, huddled together to share secrets and spoilers and their latest research or discoveries. Occasionally you may here a few random shouts that echo out and disrupt everyone…after all, a writer’s life is both filled with struggles and dotted with triumphs.
Also…in answer to your ten million fireflies: I’m weird cuz I hate goodbyes! 😄😉
@leon-fleming Ha, well think of it this way—I am savoring the effect of alertness that the coffe bean so readily gives, only taking part of the energy when I desperately need it. And unlike SOME people ’round here, I am not yet addicted to needing it everyday and would like to keep it that way 😜 (My dad drinks it black so I can snag some if I must.)
I drink all kinds of teas, mostly herbal, but my favorite right now is Hibiscus. It gives a deep, bright red and when coupled with raspberry, cinnamon sticks and honey it’s soooooo good. 😌
@seekjustice Lol! Never thought I’d find another person in the dog business like me on a writing forum, but here we are! I’m sure it does make it a lot easier, I can imagine getting a 8 week pup that is already operate is sooooo much more satisfying to work it, lol. How many pups do you work with a day? Right now I’ve been working with seventeen (seventeen! Ugh yes they wear me out, it’s crazy…if you do more then kudos to you, I still feel like I’m a beginner) but of course the days vary on what we’re able to fit in training wise.
Well, I started off doing working with dogs because a) my aunt who is the breeder needed help in a busy period, b) I was job searching for something I could do from home and still help support my family at the same time, so I wanted to try it out.
It was a little hard at first, but all new things are, and I grew to enjoy it. I’ve gotten better and the training is going smoother now. At this point I don’t think I’ll head in the direction of dog breeding/training for my own business, but I’ll work with my aunt for as long as she wants me, it’s a nice little side job.
I’ve actually gone in the direction of cats for my own little business 😀 It fits my present situation so much better right now and is honestly a lot less work. Plus I found a breed of cat that is hypoallergenic (much better for people with allergies, basically) and completely fell in love it them…so…yeah. I’m in the animal world all over the place, lol.
I don’t blame you for being passionate about these things, lol, I’ve seen a ton of it. 😉 I didn’t used to be all that much of an animal person, but so much of my life has changed in the past year so I guess that’s kinda one of them 😀
@seekjustice Well, some extended family of mine raise and sell golden retrievers, and they always need extra help to love on and train (and clean up after) the puppies, so I work for them. We mainly just do a bunch of little things that help the puppy develop good habits/manners and a lack of fear 🙂 Of course, there’s only so much you can do in 8 weeks time.
They are pretty sweet. 😀 What kind of dogs do you train/show? When I think Australia I always think Border Colllies and sheep, lol. (I’ll blame that on Adventures in Odyssey, for anybody out there who knows what I’m talking about.)
@selah-chelyah Ooooh I see. Well I suppose I could live with the shame. I just wanna know the STORY for once, lol. *goes off to hunt for abridged versions**pops back in real quick* Also, though, while we’re talking about Les Mis, nothing beats The Count of Monte Cristo. Ever. Period. Okay bye again.
@leon-fleming
*freaks out because a real PART WELSHMEN is standing right there*
Sir Leon, my dear sir, you continue to entertain us here in the Royal Kingdom of Writerly Writers. When I finally finish my story I shall be sure to pass it along to you because there will be some spoken welsh in there and your little bit of knowledge may help in that regard, lol. I have no knowledge of it and can only barely trust Google Translate 😀 It’s a good place holder, if nothing else.
@kathleenramm That’s exactly what I LOVE in a writing pal/beta reader, lol. You wanna read a bit of my writing? I pass it out to writing friends so they can get a sense of what I write/how I write. I’d love all your thoughts and am perfectly open to critics 😀
(do you have an email I could share a google document with? Not sure how we normally do this around here when we have disguised names…)
I know, I’m crazy. 😀 But it looks so beautiful in my head…!
If I am able to scrape up all the time to write them, I will publish them, yes—gotta have some way to pay for my valuable time, lol. Probably self publish, but who knows.
I’ll keep you in mind for beta reader and/or writer pal if you don’t mind then. 😀 I always need new encouragement and excitement!
It really is hard. And the Wars of the Roses time of history has had sooooo many bad books written about it, I decided one day that I would save my favorite historical thing by writing the best, most detailed fiction-ized history story that has been done.
But alas, I sometimes wonder if I will be working on this until I am 60 😀
@seekjustice A dog trainer! Well what do you know. I am sort of one myself, I train young golden retriever puppies in socialization and very basic manners/obedience before they go to their forever homes. I’m still new to it but learning all the time. Got any general tips, lol? 😉
@selah-chelyah I have TRIED to read Les Mis but I just…just…can’t. Is there an abridged version that is acceptable, or do I have to push through?
@rochellaine Hey you! Long time no see! Hope you’re doing well. Life is crazy, isn’t it? 😀@leon-fleming @jenwriter17 Hopefully tea. Tea all the way. I only sip a tiny bit of coffee on rare days.
