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How do I put this??? 🤔😅
We believe that the Holy Spirit, of course, comes into someone when they accept Christ, but Baptism by Fire (or the Baptism of the Holy Spirit), for my church, comes when the Holy Spirit fully comes into someone’s life, and often also involves the showing of spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, the power to heal, etc. It can come before someone is baptized by water (if they’re ever baptized by water, bc some people aren’t🤷🏻♀️), after, or even at the same time.
(for me personally I was baptized by water and received the Holy Spirit at the same time, but a lot of people are different)
It can happen at any time, and isn’t necessarily a “sacrament”, but rather kinda just a way of referring to the power of the Holy Spirit and how it brings eternal change when it comes into us and we allow it to work within us.
That’s just the best way I can personally explain it😅
(and before anyone asks, yes, I believe that speaking in tongues, miracles, prophecy, etc are for us today just as much as they were for the disciples and the beginning of the church)
Oh, I see, so it can happen whenever. That makes sense, since a ceremony wouldn’t trigger something like that.
comes when the Holy Spirit fully comes into someone’s life
This is where I’ve not understood this before. 😅 Do you believe those spiritual gifts are necessary if you are going to fully take in the Holy Spirit? Does that mean you can partially have the Spirit? Does that mean one Christian can have more of the Spirit than another?
I promise I’m just curious. One of my besties is a Pentecostal, and I’ve been hesitant to ask. I don’t want to convince you otherwise, I’ve just never understood how this idea works.
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Like Whaley, I’m curious! I don’t fully understand your beliefs regarding the Spirit.
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Do you believe those spiritual gifts are necessary if you are going to fully take in the Holy Spirit? Does that mean you can partially have the Spirit? Does that mean one Christian can have more of the Spirit than another?
I don’t believe they are necessary, no, but I do believe they are available to every Christian if they desire/hunger for it, and spiritual gifts vary from person to person.
Not everyone will speak in tongues, nor is that the most important “spiritual gift” (despite what some Pentecostals think) because each gift is special/different.
No, I don’t think someone can only have only a part of the Holy Spirit (I worded things a little weird😅), nor that another Christian has more of the Spirit than another.
I just believe that spiritual gifts are a physical manifest/visible proof of the Holy Spirit, but it’s appearance varies from person to person
Hopefully that might clear up a few things😅
@freed_and_redeemed oh, that makes more sense 🙂
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By the way, I don’t know your friend, but I’m gonna guess she would love your questions. We usually like sharing, even if we’re shy about it sometimes. And if your bestie doesn’t know exactly, getting your questions may be a great place for her to find the “why” for herself.
Or you can ask on here like you did. XD
I absolutely agree that Jesus has an experience for everyone if they’re hungry! I love hearing the stories of His wonder at work where no one would guess. I also fully agree that all the gifts and the fruit of the Spirit are in God’s power to give to any spirit filled believer. God has so much in store for all of us! I feel like too often we get satisfied with the dry wilderness when He is the rock following behind, just waiting for us to come and drink.
*preaches to self here*
I am curious though. Do you not separate Tongues(for personal edification/to God alone/initial sign of Holy Spirit baptism) from Tongues(For the edification of the church/interpretation)? We do because Paul does, but I understand many don’t.
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I agree with @freed_and_redeemed that God definitely is still using speaking in tongues, miracles, and prophecy is church today!!! 😁
Though, I do also believe that if you don’t speak in tongues, you don’t have Gods Spirit dwelling in you (Haven’t been born of the Spirit/baptized with the Spirit/by fire.) I can go into detail if you want, but it might get long. (I can ramble. 😬😉)
I think that a lot of people confuse speaking in tongues (Just personally praying in tongues to yourself and to God) and tongues and interpret (A message from God for a specific group, moment, situation.) This Tuesday I listened/watched a live service from a conference in Louisiana that was powerful and had examples of both. If you are interested https://www.youtube.com/live/uS0RI51NN5Y?si=fMq7WWh2335F8oY3 Praying/speaking in tongues happened all throughout service, but tongues and interpret went forth at a little after 2:40:00 (It seemed to be one of the longest ones I’ve heard) I want to say there also was a good example of part of what Paul meant in 1Co 14:27 (If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.) It sounded like two gentlemen started interpreting different parts of the message at the same time, and the preacher quickly told one to wait.
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Interesting discussion! I also believe the spiritual gifts are still active today. I grew up learning that they are still in operation, but there were certain ones that I had more skepticism about for a while, until I started learning more about them and gained more discernment.
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I don’t really have much time to type out a summary of my beliefs regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit. However, I did find a good article on the Gift of Tongues:
https://www.catholic.com/audio/scw/the-gift-of-tongues
It’s kind of longish. I’ll probably pop back here and talk about it more briefly so y’all don’t have to read it XD
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