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Well Iām sort of referencing the first character you mentioned, but Iām also speaking broadly. Thereās plenty of stories where people root for the villain, despite them not being redeemable.
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
@thearcaneaxiom yeah, there are plenty of fandoms where something like that happens.
The first character I referred to was a kind of antihero, so heās not a villain in the truest sense of the word, but I suppose the same rules can apply either way.
Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.
Half of these references wonāt be recognized but I do happen to have a list of villainās I root for
-Jacks from Caraval
-Darth Vadar/Anakin from Star Wars
-Loki from Marvel
-Kylo Ren also Star Wars
-Katherine from Heartless
Love is patient. Love is kind. Love never fails. -1 Corinthians
And guess what? His is eternal (:True, anti-heros are separate from villains. The mere fact that he can be considered an anti-hero can push him over to likeable, though not always.
Yeah, some of these villains you can root for for different reasons. Some are sympathetic with sad backgrounds, others and just intriguing.
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
@princesachronicle22 yep.
Although Vader and Kylo are two halves of the same coin tbh
then thereās Loki, whoās all over the place (technically he was kinda redeemed though? so does he still count?)
and I donāt exactly know the others, but I can tell theyāre probably something like the ones I do know
Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.
@thearcaneaxiom yeah, I think thatās probably why heās in the category of āNot really a good guy, and not a guy Iād go and talk to alone, but not horrible either, and someone I might interact with if I knew I was safe from whatever he might doā whereas the other guy I was talking aboutā¦ā¦*shudders*
Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.
Yeah, I think itās important to remember that itās never bad for a villain to be non sympathetic, itās just all in the execution.
I would also say that it depends on the villainās role. Sometimes you need a sympathetic villain for the story to work. But yeah, in and of themselves, a non-sympathetic villain isnāt a bad thing.
(Iām not sure if your following this Jonas, but you should go watch itš)
Maybe Iāll have a chance in the coming year, after I graduate high school.
we know what heĀ wantedĀ but did we really knowĀ whyĀ he wanted it?
I would say thatās the mark of an unsympathetic villain. Their reason for wanting something isnāt really relevant. If you knowĀ whyĀ a villain wants something, you understand them more and it automatically makes them more sympathetic. (Although they can still be pretty unsympathetic even then.)
Are they evil because of what has been doneĀ too them?Ā Or are they evil because of what theyĀ like to do to other people?
Thatās another mark of sympathetic vs. unsympathetic villains. I would, however, say that the āevil because of what has been done to themā can easily lead to saying āsomething was done to them, so itās not their fault that theyāre evil.ā Thatās never true. A villain always chooses to do evil, even if an outside force pushes them in that direction. I think the best villains are ones where we see that they clearly chose evil, but we also see whyĀ they chose it. Something that happened to them canĀ indirectlyĀ be the cause of their evil, but notĀ directly.
Although Vader and Kylo are two halves of the same coin tbh
How so? Iāll admit itās been a while since Iāve watched Star Wars 7 and 8 (and I probably wonāt again) and I never watched 9, but from my memory, Kylo is basically just evil because he thinks heās continuing Vaderās legacy.
This is a very insightful (and off topic) conversation lol. Maybe we should create a new thread. (There probably is one already, actually.)
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š Appreciator of BooksThis is a very insightful (and off topic) conversation lol. Maybe we should create a new thread. (There probably is one already, actually.)
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Love is patient. Love is kind. Love never fails. -1 Corinthians
And guess what? His is eternal (:I would also say that it depends on the villainās role. Sometimes you need a sympathetic villain for the story to work. But yeah, in and of themselves, a non-sympathetic villain isnāt a bad thing.
True, of course ignoring the fact that a non-sympathetic villain by definition, is badš (Someone was bound to do this, so I thought it might as well be me)
Maybe Iāll have a chance in the coming year, after I graduate high school.
I just had an idea! Do you have discord? What if we streamed it on there?
This is a very insightful (and off topic) conversation lol. Maybe we should create a new thread. (There probably is one already, actually.)
Yeah, thereās a few, I could find one and we can revive it, or we can make a new one.
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
I just had an idea! Do you have discord? What if we streamed it on there?
Yeah, I do have discord. I donāt use it very much but I have it. You can stream things on discord?
Yeah, thereās a few, I could find one and we can revive it, or we can make a new one.
Sure. Probably better to reuse an old one, but it doesnāt matter too much.
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š Appreciator of BooksYeah, I do have discord. I donāt use it very much but I have it. You can stream things on discord?
Yeah! I donāt know why I havenāt thought of it before. Although, the question is whether it will stream well, but Iād say itās worth a shot if youāre up for it!
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
So, how exactly does discordās streaming work? Iām honestly not sure if I would have time at this point. Iāve been pretty busy with school (which is why I havenāt been on KP much lately) and on top of that, Iām also training for my karate black belt test, which has been pretty time consuming. Things will probably be changing a lot for me in the coming months, though, so Iāll just have to see how much time I have as I go.
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š Appreciator of BooksAll you do is get on voice chat, then share your screen for the most part. Iāll be busy too. I have work most days now, though only in the first half of the day, and Iāll be serving a mission not long from now. Thatās awesome that your doing karate!
Maybe we could figure something out in the near future, but I donāt know. Iāll just say the offer is there then.
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
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š Appreciator of Booksfor the sake of refreshing memory, iām reposting this from the Character Part RP (Note: I have italized what I have changed):
Milk-skinned are her people, with pastel eyes that can tell no lies. Sweet are her flowers, that adorn the land all the year round. Tis a tropical place, with winter rainy but ever blooming. Tis a peaceful place, with never the sound of war a-booming. Hearken people! Do you not here the sound of the birds with sweet songs that ripple through their throats like the waters of laughing brooks? Hearken people! Do you not hear the cry of the fawn? New life is born in the forest.
Lillenās cities are made of magic. Her great Queen sees to the land. Her great King sees to the people. Her people gather fruits from the forest, they carve their necessities out of wood. They draw water from streams. They take from nature, but never more than their do share.
But under the sky of fantasy light pink, white blood has now been spilled. Under watch of bright white sun, of pale blue moon, and twinkling star, the forest is torn and scarred. Fire burns. Water dries. Plants die. Creatures flee. Lillennings are murdered. But those pastel eyes, though filled with the opaque blue liquid that flows down their pinked cheeks, can do nothing. How many of the bravest have already perished? They are not trained in war. How long will the Gilgannings and DragonsĀ rampage their land unhindered?
Will pastel colors turn black? Will opaque liquid turn dark? Will fruits of bright color, shaded by those sweet green leaves, strival and die? Will those white tan-spotted deer leave forever? Will the birds never again open their beaks?
The people the Queen calls are their only hope.
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