@hannah-c
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@leon-Fleming that’s very good of you. Likewise, your apology is also accepted. Yes, some forms of poetry can be quite hideous.
Ha! Well if my arguing was of some use than I am glad. I also find it is easier to figure out your own thoughts on things if you write them down.
No, I am not on Story Embers.
@Leon-Fleming upon further reflection, I realize I must apologize. I have been arguing for the sake of it and not because I have something constructive to say. And you are correct that I have been stating opinion as fact. You clearly have me beat on your knowledge of poetry and I really don’t have a leg to stand on so I concede to you. Yes, all poetry us useful but not all of it is to my taste. You have made some very well reasoned arguments and it has been fun discussing with you even if I didn’t know what I was doing. 🙂
I am in complete agreeance with you about modern authors and vocabulary. Nowadays writings lack a certain character and dimension which classical writings possessed. It is sad about vocabulary because there are so many wonderful words and ways to string them together.
Ah, all the more impressing that you craft such cohesive arguments. I am an elderly lady of 22 and those are indeed my boots in my profile picture. XD
@Leon-Fleming well I said it probably wasn’t the correct definition. Ok so that clears things up a bit. Personally, I still wouldn’t class it as poetry but until I become president of some world wide literary organization something-or-other, there isn’t much I can do about it. XD
I really think that we are saying basically the same things, but through the filter of our own biases. 😜 If I am not very much mistaken (and I am sure you’ll tell me if I am, ha!), you lean more toward prose and free style verse. I lean more toward rhyming poetry. I agree, as I have already, that each has its place. Which lends a more dramatic or happier feel is perhaps personal taste. I could write something very dramatic in rhyme which to you might appear amusing. Just as you could write something in prose and free verse that jests about the woes of life and I could read it as a rather depressing stanza of someone writing their thoughts in the same format as poetry. I think a lot of this really depends on how the person reads it. True, there are certain undeniable truths of the craft which do not change. They are solid. But, the way a writing is read changes, not the way it was portrayed, but the way it is understood from person to person. If that makes sense.
Yes, you did say “among other things”. Perhaps I should have quoted that part as well but I was mainly focusing on the first part. So yes, its a tool and used appropriately it can work either way. We agree.
When I say I write as it comes to me I basically mean that I don’t necessarily set out to follow any set meter. I do, however, take great pains to arrange my words to be clear and concise and to flow smoothly.
It could be that the majority of prose that I have come across is modern day so that could explain why I am not overly fond of it. On the whole I find it rather disjointed and depressing, not to mention confusing. I agree that just because you can put words together on paper, doesn’t mean you should. Literary scrambled eggs is a good way to put it. I, too, like poetry that makes sense and conveys feeling in good form. I have see quotes from different people that, while not poetry or even rhyming, seems like poetry because of the form and flow. As I said, I think essentially we agree on things, or rather, we agree on the essential things. 😉
“One has to know one’s craft in order to practice it.”
Yes, quite quotable.
Just to satisfy my own curiosity, do you mind if I ask how old you are?
@Leon-Fleming ha! Well that’s true in a sense although I don’t often find occasion to talk about Truffala Trees or Sneeds or Rare Who Roast Beast. XD
When I say prose I am referring to anything classed as poetry without rhyme. Haiku’s, for example. I am sure I am probably giving things a broader coverage than they deserve but that’s how I think.
I agree, there are many types of poetry. Some might say that a well flowing paragraph or two in a novel could be poetry. Then too, much of the Bible, while not rhyming, could still be classed as poetry. The Psalms, for instance, which were written as a type of ballad or music.
Well, that is just an opinion that my opinion was just an opinion. 😜 But as you said, its a free country.
“Rhyme adds a happier feel to a poem…”
This, I disagree with. I think a rhyme can add a very serious and indeed a ominous, foreboding feel to a poem. I will steal a quote from you, if I may, and say, ” I know because I’ve both written and read such poems.” 😉
And in answer to your next question, yes, I do write poetry. Although, perhaps not quite as extensively as you. Some of my poetry is here on Kingdom Pen, although not all of it my best. I remember learning all about meter and rhyme scheme long ago but I have forgotten most of it. I write basically by feel or how it comes to me now which I am sure is not technically proper in the least.
I cannot think of any modern poems I have read but I think I would probably agree with you were I to read any. Very little that is modern is good anymore.
Haha! I look forward to your brain being un-fried.
@Leon-Fleming lol ok, so I see it as cheating to simply make up words to rhyme with the one you are using. Find a real word or change the word you are rhyming with. At the same time, the very things I think he was a cheat for I also see as quite brilliant. If you can’t find a word, make one! Confusing, I know.
I can certainly see why you decided to write an epic of poetry, you seem to be very knowledgeable on the subject! That was a well reasoned argument.
I agree that there is more to poetry than rhyming. If the flow is off it doesn’t matter how well your words rhyme. I also agree that prose has its place. In music and ballads for instance. I like most music to rhyme but there are many old songs that do not rhyme and tell a story to music that are beautiful.
Rhyming may stand out more because its obvious but like you said, meter and theory of rhyme develop at an early age etc. so perhaps its because there is something there that the human mind naturally gravitates to. There is some sort of security in a steady rhyme and rhythm. I think its the rhyme that catches people and drives the point home, like a period at the end of the sentence. It punctuates the point. Would Rudyard Kipling’s Law Of The Jungle have been half so memorable if it didn’t rhyme? Like I said, prose has its place, such as in the story you will be writing, but I think if you want to make a point or create a dramatic feel, rhyming poetry is the way to go.
I see what you mean about how poetry can be written two different ways but convey the same message. However, does it convey the same feel? Perhaps it is just me and my preferences but prose doesn’t give me near the same thrill as a good rhyme and rhythm does. I am sure a lot of this depends on personal taste as well. Now tell me, which type of poetry thrills you the most?
@Leon-Fleming well calculus was created during a pandemic so…
Ah, because the literary snob in me says that prose is cheating in the same way that Dr. Seuse was equally cheating and a genius by making up words to rhyme with. In my mind, if it is labeled poetry it should rhyme and you should have had to suffer a bit to create it. 😜 Just kidding about the last part but it should rhyme.
Fair enough! I’d like to see it if you ever do post it.
@Leon-Fleming hehe who is overly fond of math? XD
I see what you are saying. I am afraid I have never read any of Tolkien’s works but I think I get the idea.
Its an interesting concept. I have a bit of a prejudice against prose (ok, ok a big prejudice, blame the snob in me) but it would be interesting to see both mixed together. Perhaps sometime you would be willing to post a sample of your work?
@Leon-Fleming you are right. NaNoWriMo in November is supposed to help you write like 50k words in a month or something by writing 2k a day. I am talking about camp NaNoWriMo in April and July which are supposed to help you get on track and practice writing that much for November. July isn’t as strict as November.
Thanks, @devastate-lasting good luck with your writing schedule!
<p style=”text-align: left;”>*blows dust from keyboard* Sorry, peeps, things got hectic.</p>
@daughteroftheking love the name of your blog! It sounds so dramatic. And you story installments sound interesting too. I dont necessarily know how to do climaxes but I have heard it said that to build tension you use short, quick sentences.Thanks! Its one of my favorite periods too!
@Emma-flournoy hmm 21st century problems in the medievil era? 😂
@Emma-flournoy 😁 lol we will see if Kate gets your page. If not, we may have to get really midevil and have you tell her in person.
Yeah, that’s why I chose Anne of Green Gables the nobly problems there are of her own making. Besides it sounds so pretty!
@dekreel hey! That’s awesome you are in art now! If you ever go back to writing you can illustrate your own books.
Doing pretty good over here just busy busy. Great idea tagging peeps, why didn’t the rest of us think of that?
@Emma-flournoy hey!!!! That is awesome that you are looking into a proofreading business! I am sure there plenty numb-fingered blurry-eyed writers out there that could use your help! I am afraid that I (flawed human being that I am) would see the only merit in being a professional proofreader as having the authority to tell somebody when they have done something wrong. Hehehehehehe 😜
Well tell Kate she needs to grab a snack and get back on here too!
I am currently re-reading Anne Of Green Gables. I think if I could live in any book it would be that one. Which book would you like to live in?
Thank you!
