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@whalekeeper Yep, balance is good š
Yep, lol, same! Some villains are just evil to beā¦evil. Itās not like they all have a tragic backstory š And exactly, their past, whether tragic or not, doesnāt justify anything they do. Yep, I agree 100%
@smiley awww, love the outfits!!!! Yeahhh, Iām definitely getting Descendents vibes šš I actuallyĀ haveĀ watched the first Descendents movie, lolā¦it was actually pretty good!! XXD@freedomwriter76
yeah I liked it, mostly because I like seeing where each character ended up from the movies,
And Ben was a favorite, mostly because his parents were Belle and the Beast
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Youāre welcome!! And haha, no I havenāt watched it either š
@whalekeeper @freedomwriter76Yeah, I agree, thatās a good way to think about it. Haha I mean of course itās not good, but some people just donāt care about sin, yāknow?
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Yeah, definitely! I try to make sure my characters are still good, but I think having antagonists or āvillainsā who have good reasons for what theyāre doing, or even seem likeable, add more depth to the story, and then of course I get my theme šš
Yep!!
There is always light behind the clouds.
- Little Women, Louisa May Alcott@mineralizedwritings @smiley @freedomwriter76
Okā¦ so this is totally unrelated to this topic but I saw it and Iām very curious.
What is all this beard stuff about??? Because I totally missed something while I was gone. š¤£
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sorry, that just made me laugh XXD
OK, the beard stuff happened because me and Light said that Steve Rogers looks good with a beard, but Miley jumped in, said he looked better without oneā¦and everyone had a small debate on whether or not Steve Rogers looked better with or without a beardā¦and I also think/said that Bucky looks better with a beard too, and we all talked about that too š
Me, Euodia, Light, Kylie (livingwoodchronicles), are all on the Beard Defenders sideā¦Min is neutral, and Miley is against it 100% XXD
so yeahhhh, thatās the beard thing š¤£š¤£
Those are both really good! I like the green one, but the red one is also pretty cool. Iāve seen the 3 Descendant movies and personally donāt think your missing out š
Well, I made it up so its probably not true. But she was three when it happened, they altered her brain, making so she wouldnāt look old. Since that kind of procedure is so new in 20xx it did not work.
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I really like this topic.
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One of my antagonists named Sairin is really interesting because her motivations are actually good but her methods are really evil. Sairin is the leader of this one group that is trying to free their country from the nation (which is where most of the MCs come from (the government there isnāt the best and their occupation of Sairinās country is unjust) who basically controls them. The thing that makes Sairin a bad person is that she will stop at nothing to accomplish her goal.
In terms of general stuff I personally donāt actually think of any of my characters as really being heroes and villainās (I like to think in terms of antagonists and protagonists). This is because I feel like hero and villain is to much about heroes being definitively good and villains being definitively evil (this doesnāt mean I donāt have characters who are more villains and heroes I just find that approach limiting) . I feel like as long as you make it clear what actions are good and what actions are bad your readers can be given the ability either:
1.) see how narrative changes your view
2.) choose if a character is worthy of being a hero (sometimes this is obvious (sometimes itās not))
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Through darkness,
light shines brightestBoth types of villains are interesting, in my opinion.
Evil-for-the-sake-of-evil is fine to me, as long as itās done well.
And although I tend to like villains with sad backstories, there are times where one goes too far.
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One of those is Mapleshade from the warrior cats books. Sheās probably intended to be a sympathetic villain. She fell in love with a cat she wasnāt supposed to, but kept it a secret. When her clan found out, they exiled her and her children. The three kittens drowned when they tried to cross the river. Another cat from the clan was watching, but stood by and did nothing because she was still angry about the lie.
When Mapleshade reached the other side of the river, her mate and his clan rejected her too. She vowed revenge on him and everyone else, and killed like 3 other cats, including the one whoād stood by and watched while her kits drowned (who did deserve punishment, but not the horrible death that was given).
After all this, sheās mortally wounded somehow (I donāt remember how exactly) and a while after she dies, she (her ghost? idk) basically haunts and manipulates a descendant of her old mate, plus she tries to torture a bunch of other cats, because they all had better lives than she did.
While she has a sad backstory, sheās so revengeful and crazy, I hate her for ruining so many other charactersā lives more than feel sorry for her.
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Iām trying to think of an evil-for-the-sheer-sake-of-it villain I actually think is interesting so I can use that as a contrast.
Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.
@otherworldlyhistorian Personally, I think villain characters who have good motives, but their actions are evil, are pretty interesting.
Especially since you might start liking them, but then they do something and you see theyāre going somewhere they shouldnāt, and you can only watch horrified as they keep going down that path, and hope for their redemption.
Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.
I remember Mapleshade! I loved the warrior cats books!
Shes definitely a sympathetic villain š
And yeah, I think those are my favoriteā¦ Ones who are doing what they think is ārightā, or are forced to do something thatās wrong
There is always light behind the clouds.
- Little Women, Louisa May AlcottAhh!! How did I totally forget to comment on this topic?!
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Anyway, Iāll probably get to it after I get home from vacay. š
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@hybridlore yep!
Mostly I hated how manipulative she was to Crookedjaw and others and how she tried to murder Sandstorm solely because she had a better life.
Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.
Oh yeah, I remember reading some of that book. I hadnāt finished it though.
KaPeefers 'til we're old and gray...
@whalekeeper heh heh, yeah I think I only skimmed Mapleshadeās book once she started killing. The other books (Crookedjawās and the one where she tries to kill Sandstorm) I have read all the way through.
Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.
Right. If you canāt stomach it, you canāt.
Iāve read the original series and started the second one ā as well as some of the side books ā and they were enjoyable. I left them not long afterwards because I didnāt have the dedication XD But I still have some fondness for them.
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