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March 5, 2025 at 11:26 am #199083
Sorry I am late to reply.
Thank you for offering to help. However, would you mind waiting until I start posting chapters? I have a few people helping me with this already and I am hoping some people who are reading the draft I will be posting on here will not know what is happening in the story yet. Hopefully, it won’t be too long before I start posting chapters. Thank you!
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March 5, 2025 at 1:16 pm #199097@whalekeeper @ellette-giselle @theducktator
I threw together a 9-point outline for Martha as well, since she will be a major point of view character in this book as well. It’s not quite complete, such as I’m not really sure what to do for her amplified pressure. But here is what I have so far:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pPdo2ZDjWhg9zeia1TtqsI0ZoLBqmTD8XNjJfoxkG4c/edit?usp=sharing
It’s after Alan’s in this.
Once I am more confident with this, I think I will start throwing together the final outline.
What are your thoughts? How well does this fit with Alan’s arc (does it add to or take away)?
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March 5, 2025 at 1:52 pm #199109I’m going to try and look at all of this when possible.
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March 5, 2025 at 3:28 pm #199113Yay, KP finally let me log in! XD
However, would you mind waiting until I start posting chapters?
I don’t mind at all š
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March 6, 2025 at 11:20 am #199213March 7, 2025 at 6:05 pm #199369@whalekeeper @ellette-giselle @theducktator
Hey, quick question. I’m considering giving Iskyagus some primary henchmen. Characters like Mai and Ty Lee inĀ Avatar, or Kallus and Ruku inĀ Star Wars Rebels. Kind of some other wizards who are just under him. I’m trying to decide whether or not I like the idea. I often find these types of characters annoying (they are either too stupid, and it’s a question of why do we have too put up with this cheesiness again or too smart as in,’ can’t they ever get rid of these guys?’), but maybe I could come up with some unique ones. This would also allow me to give some of the side characters a villain to deal with in book three while Alan focuses on Iskyagus.
Any thoughts?
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March 7, 2025 at 7:02 pm #199370No idea who those fellas are you just mentioned, but go for it! As long as they aren’t stupid. They can be funny and even idiots, but they need to have a clear roll. A reason for why their leader hasn’t killed them off.
Have you seen The Defense of New Haven?
If not, you must watch it! It’s really good. It’s a Christian home school family and it’s super funny and really well done. The sequel is also really good. Anyhow, they have two idiotic henchmen, but the serve a purpose and they do and say funny things at the right moment “wrong moment in story world” that hits just perfectly, but then they also do badguy things as well. They aren’t just walking sarcasm.
No half-heartedness and no worldly fear must turn us aside from following the light unflinchingly.
March 7, 2025 at 10:20 pm #199390I have no idea who those people are, but I like this idea. Just please don’t make them stupid.
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March 7, 2025 at 11:08 pm #199393I can totally see Iskyagus with abnormally featured henchmen, like animalistic things with extra limbs/beaks/heads or something. You could play into the creepy aspects of this, so they show off the evil side of magic, and contrast Iskyagus’ more eye-pleasing design.
As long as they arenāt stupid. They can be funny and even idiots
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March 8, 2025 at 6:42 am #199398Don’t have them there just for the sake of stupidity. Don’t make it look like all you want its stupidness and so you’re throwing in characters with the roll of being stupid.
They have to have a point and a reason.
No half-heartedness and no worldly fear must turn us aside from following the light unflinchingly.
March 8, 2025 at 7:27 am #199402Lol, got it. What would you use Iskyagus’ henchmen for? I already said my first gut idea, but I bet you and Ducktator have different thoughts.
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March 8, 2025 at 7:30 am #199403Probably for doing dirty work. *shrug* basically completing tasks that the main villain doesn’t want to (or can’t)
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March 8, 2025 at 7:40 am #199407Huh. Your brain went to securing the definition of henchman, while I almost immediately looked for what else to do with them. Interesting.
*Logs into psychic database*
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March 8, 2025 at 11:43 am #199440@ellette-giselle @theducktator @whalekeeper
All right. Thank you for your thoughts. I might try the first draft with the henchmen, and if I don’t like them, I can pull them out later.
Acctually, the sarcastic henchmen who always wonder how they ended up with their job are some of the henchmen I like, but I don’t think that fits TNPT, so I’ll see what I can come up with.
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March 8, 2025 at 12:51 pm #199442@ellette-giselle @theducktator @whalekeeper
Okay, another question for all of you. I’m wondering if Alan would even return to the abandoned village. After he escapes the prison, he starts heading there since he has nowhere else to go in the moment, but then it occurs to him that the Wizards will probably look for him there. His friends are in danger. But the last time he tried to save someone, which was his father, the plan backfired, and Charles was used against him. I would like him to get back to the village, but I realize he may try to avoid it for everyone’s saftey. (This would also fit with his arc, where he comes to believe he has to do things on his own.)
It may occur to him that his friends could still be used against him, but if he runs away, he can maybe find some better way to help them. And the difference is this time, he is not going to depend on dark powers. He also has some hope that if things go wrong, the Saviour will use it for good (which is still shaky at this point, but it is there).
So, do you think it goes against Alan’s character and arc for him to return?
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