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What is the name of the Son? 😉
Jesus! Or if we want to be technical, we can go with the original ישוע (Yeshua).
The trinitarian formula comes from Jesus’ words in Matthew 28:18, when He tells the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Some people (I don’t know if you’re one of them?) would say that we should baptize in the name of Jesus alone. They would cite verses like Acts 2:38 for example. However, I’d say that the author calls Christian baptism baptism in the name of Jesus just to diferentiate it from other forms of baptism at the time (in cults, the jewish mikveh, etc.) I don’t think the author would go against Jesus’ explicit command.
*shrugs* There are a lot of interpretations of the Bible in terms of how to baptize someone, what form of baptism should be used, full submersion or not, etc.
Εὐχαριστῶ ὅτι ἐρωτᾷς, ἔστω καὶ ἀμέσως. Ἐποίησας ἵνα ἐρευνῶ!
Pray, thou shalt simply add ketchup unto the mac'n'cheese.
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Yeah, I mean once you’ve repented and been forgiven, the Bible says that as far as the east is from the west, so far has God removed our transgressions from us. If He’s not thinking about it anymore, why should I?
Amen! This is what C.S. Lewis said: “I think that if God forgives us we must forgive ourselves. Otherwise, it is almost like setting up ourselves as a higher tribunal than Him.”
Pray, thou shalt simply add ketchup unto the mac'n'cheese.
I am one of them. 😉
What if the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit was Jesus?
What if the name of the Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace was Jesus?
What if the LORD JEHOVAH wasn’t just my strength and my song, but he also is become my Yeshua?
What if there was only one Lord, one faith, and one baptism, and that baptism now saves you.
It would be pretty sad for so many good, sincere, devout people. . . finding out to late that since they weren’t buried with him they won’t be raised with him; that since they where never baptized into Christ, they where never clothed with Christ.
Καλή Μεγάλη Παρασκευή! . . . Αυτό ακούγεται σχεδόν κακό, αλλά ευχαριστώ τον Θεό για τη θυσία!
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ALSO SHOOT! I ACCIDENTALLY SKIPPED Koshka’s REPLY!!!!!!!!! SORRY! I WILL GET TO IT AFTERWARD!
You’re fine. XD I’m obviously not excessively active on KP right now (Ellette and Whalekeeper are currently conducting my funeral, LOL).
KP’s also been giving me fits, so I’m giving you a heads up that I may be a while checking back here. Ahh, for the days before Wyoh had gained her infamous name, back when I was a young KeePer bumbling my way around…
A cup of tea is cheaper than therapy.
What if the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit was Jesus?
The thing is, that argument can work either way, can’t it?
If the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is Jesus, than wouldn’t baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit be baptizing in the name of Jesus?
If you did something in the name of sponge cake and ice cream covered in meringue and baked for a short time, wouldn’t you be doing something in the name of Baked Alaska?
And if you did something in the name of Baked Alaska, wouldn’t you being doing it in the name of sponge cake and ice cream covered in meringue and baked for a short time?
(Weird example but hey, a metaphor is a metaphor lol)
So isn’t that just saying that it doesn’t matter which way you do it?
I wouldn’t say that’s a good argument. I think it far more likely that baptism in the name of Jesus is a diferentiation from John’s baptism.
It would be pretty sad for so many good, sincere, devout people. . . finding out too late that since they weren’t buried with him they won’t be raised with him; that since they where never baptized into Christ, they where never clothed with Christ.
Hmm, I don’t think that’ll ever happen. There will be “believers” to whom Christ will say “I never knew you.” And I have hope that there will be some who, of no fault of their own, never knew the name of Christ, but He might tell them “For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’” Matthew 25:35-36
Οἴδαμεν ὅτι ὅσα ὁ Θεὸς ποιεῖ, ἀγαθὸν ἔσται!
Pray, thou shalt simply add ketchup unto the mac'n'cheese.
Oooh yay I’m a knight in shining armor! *happy dance*
Pray, thou shalt simply add ketchup unto the mac'n'cheese.
Mark 16:16 — Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
1 Peter 3:21 — Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Romans 6:4-5 — We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
You will love what you spend time with.
Baptism is necessary if it is available. The thief on the cross was not baptized, and was yet saved. Miscarried children are unbaptized, and yet they are saved. So yes, to become a Christian, one should be baptized, but a believer who was unable to be baptized wouldn’t go to Hell. I don’t think God would send a devout believer to Hell because he didn’t realize that he was baptized incorrectly, either.
MARCIE! YOU MADE EGG SOUP!
. . . It sounds good and would be comforting, but is that what the Bible says?
None of the above verses where write or had even been spoken, when the thief on the cross died.
I will admit that I have not spent much time studying what the Bible says about the unborn. Do you have any Bible for that? I know that Psalm 51:5-6 has some information.
Psalm 51:5-6 NIV — Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place.
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Sorry for butting in, just found the passage because I was discussing this same topic with a friend, and here it is. This is the ESV.
Luke 23:32-33. Two others, who were criminals, were led away to be put to death with him. And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left.
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23:39-43. One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
I realize this is a bit presumptuous to say, but I doubt this guy was a baptized Christian before he committed crimes deserving of death. Speaking from a spiritual standpoint only, I think the power of these verses comes from the fact that this guy did nothing deserving of Christ besides believing in him – by his few last breaths. Every Biblical passage has an important meaning to it, and while it could be just an example of overpowering death with your Christian belief… I don’t know, it seems pretty focused on the very moment of repentance and Jesus’ acceptance.
I believe baptism is a spiritual sacrament, and while it’s not necessary for salvation, it’s similar to the Lord’s Supper because it signifies your connection with God and the outpouring of the Spirit upon you. It’s a physical sign of a spiritual truth. Kind of like a confirmation of your faith. The Spirit is already a part of you since your salvation (the very moment you accept Jesus) but God smiles on the physical seal of water because it is a defiance towards the ancient Eastern symbolism for death and chaos present in the Old Testament (think the ark, Moses in the basket, Israel passing through the waters).
That’s what I’ve got to say. 🙂
The exhaustion is strong with this one
*sniff sniff* wow! This Topic has grown so much, now people are having conversations with each other! And I am not even involved!!! 🥲
Moral of the story, "always listen to a carrot cake when it screams at you."
Plus, given God emphasizes our inability to save ourselves with deeds in the physical ream, it would be kinda weird for him to say “focus on Jesus alone, and your spirit will be saved” and then say “mkay but you have to get physically baptized or else you’re in trouble.” I believe in baptism as part of the salvation process, but I think the giving of the Spirit is a solely spiritual event and can happen without physical water.
Edit: To clarify, when I said baptism isn’t necessary for salvation, I meant the physical water part. Spiritual baptism is absolutely a part of the salvation process.
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In fact, I think 1 Peter 3:21 perfectly juxtaposes the physical and spiritual aspects of this topic
The exhaustion is strong with this one
None of the above verses (Romans 6:4-5, 1 Peter 3:21, and Mark 16:16) where written or had even been spoken, when the thief on the cross died.
Cain wasn’t put to death for killing his brother, because he was before Genesis 9:6 “Whoever sheds human blood, by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.”
God didn’t get on to Abraham even though he married his half sister, because it wasn’t until Moses (Leviticus 18:9 “The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.”) when that rule was given.
The theif on the cross didn’t need to be baptized. Even in modern day, we don’t convict someone for things that where done before a law was passed.
As for saving ourselves through our own ability, I didn’t wash away my sins. I couldn’t. I just was obedience to the Bible and Jesus did it.
I’ve a confession of faith, or thinking on something requires me to do something.
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