Question Regarding Fantasy Books

A fantasy book telling the reader not to read fantasy books would be hypocritical.

I think a lot of this can be simplified through common sense. Were these books meant to be imitated? Were they portraying real sorcery positively, or just using for an obviously fantastical story? If Alan (or even better, his parents, since he was young and easily influenced) was interpreting the magic as essential to a happy life even though the story’s tone never suggested it, that’s his fault. It’s not the book’s fault.

However, I do know of some people who were led into the Occult by reading books like Narnia, but thankful became Christians later on.

This is what I mean. This is the unfortunate problem with easily sway-able people; to put the blame on C.S. Lewis is ridiculous. Anyone who goes into the Occult because of a mainstream middle grade/YA fantasy series – they are the issue. That’s like saying you should try to jump off a cliff and fly when you see Superman doing the same.

I’m still going to defend HP, albeit politely, and anyone can disagree 😅 I have read it. The magic is obviously fictional (all spells are just literal Latin words), it’s supposed to be a play on the modernized wizard tropes (Dumbledore is just a more grandfatherly, sweater-knitting Gandalf), and HP has a better grasp on morality than 70% of YA fantasy.

My dad can vouch as an expert researcher for this next point. There’s the fact that ancient sorcery isn’t defined by how you conjure it, since it ranges from raising a staff to cutting open a sheep. To say any of these things are evil is completely beside the point. (I mean, unless it’s murder or something.) The essence of magic is what you’re trying to do, which is to connect with the spiritual/demonic world to gain guidance from ungodly forces. That’s the real-world purpose, and I think we can all agree it’s a bad purpose.

Any fantastical happenings in the ancient world, like the sorcerers of Egypt summoning snakes, only happened because the sorcerers called on an evil power – their gods. These gods actually existed. They were evil spirits, and had their own arsenal of powers to mimic the true God. If I remember correctly, Moses also summoned a snake to eat up the others.

This proves the fantastical thing itself isn’t evil. Moses also summoned a snake! It wasn’t evil of him to do so! He did it by the power of God, which is the ultimately good power. 🙂

Hypothetically, if I belonged in an alternate dimension and said the exact spell words to summon a demon in this real dimension… I don’t think that’s sinful, because I was never trying to summon anything, nor does it have any underlying purpose. This is kind of the same thing as a fictional magic.

I don’t think fictional spells are bad. They’re only bad when the author is congratulating their original purpose in the real world, and saying, “it’s AcTuLLaY kinda dOpE to contact hell!!”

Some books do that, some don’t.

Should he put the books away to not cause Alan to stumble (Alan is currently not one of The Faithful)? Should he change the topic to tell Alan that it was not the book’s fault that he used magic, but his own? Should he make a defence of his own convictions, but also maybe say there are some books he used to own before becoming one of The Faithful that he will no longer touch? What do you all think?

I think he should ask Alan to compare the books magic with real magic.

If Alan realizes they aren’t the same thing, he and The Faithful Wizard should delve into why he confused the two so easily. It was probably because he wanted affirmation or individuality, and when he saw important people in the books, he assumed the magic was the answer.

If they are the same thing, focus on the evil purpose of the magic in both the fiction and real world. (Aaand he should probably question where he got those stories 😅.)

@whalekeeper

I agree with you about Harry Potter. Another thing is that the characters weren’t exactly learning magic. They were learning how to use their abilities. Magic is genetic, not a way to get into the occult or a fantasy equivalent.

@Linus-smallprint

Probably have him explain the difference between these and other books with magic, then say that it wasn’t the book’s fault, but his fault. I don’t know if you’ve heard of the 5 Common Topics, but they’d be a good way to handle this conversation. Definition, comparison, relationship, circumstance, and testimony. If you google them, you should be able to find questions to go with them. It’s how we do conversations at my co-op.

@linus-smallprint

Hmm, I would say it isn’t the book’s fault ever. I mean, you chose what to put before your eyes, and that was your doing. The book didn’t open up, shove itself in for face, and force your brain to read the words.

This is what I mean. This is the unfortunate problem with easily sway-able people; to put the blame on C.S. Lewis is ridiculous. Anyone who goes into the Occult because of a mainstream middle grade/YA fantasy series – they are the issue. That’s like saying you should try to jump off a cliff and fly when you see Superman doing the same.

Amen to that!!!

It’s the same as saying guns kill people.

No they don’t.

People kill people and they use guns, knives, bombs, tanks, forks, and baseball bats to do it.

The book didn’t do anything. The reader chose to pick it up and read it.

Now, as for the question of READING the books, (who have done nothing wrong) I would say that if I was Alan I would like to steer clear of any and all magic. It would be like a guy who was addicted to drinking declining to have a glass of wine with dinner. One thing that would be interesting is are the fantasy characters the Wizard is reading about casting spells, or is it something they are born with? That would be different. Spell casting is ALWAYS evil, and I have the Bible to back me up on that one. However, you have a fantasy world, so being born with strange abilities is not out of the question.

Interesting idea……. does your world have a Bible? I believe I saw you mention something about no direct quotes so as not to change God’s word. However, I would be interested to see what Alan thinks when he reads it and learns about Jesus. To him, Jesus is going to seem like some super powerful Wizard, which would be really co0nfusing because the Faithful are against magic. It could spark some very interesting conversations, especially since as of yet, this culture is atheist. You haven’t mentioned any gods, so that would be the assumptions. The worship of the gods is an every day event so I would expect you to mention it sooner if it did happen. Since you haven’t, I’m guessing that at least Klaw is an atheist country.

Anyhow, there’s my thoughts.

@keilah-h

I’m with you on Harry Potter.

@keilah-h

also about killing with forks, I know someone who knows the best places to stab someone with a fork. Luckily they’ve never actually done it.

Me to. Luckily I’ve never had to do it. Anyone trying to mess with me, beware.

@ellette-giselle @keilah-h

So, what are the best places to stab someone with a fork?

@theducktator From what I remember it’s the neck (Jugular vein and carotid artery) or thigh (Femoral veins)

Both will cause the victim to bleed out, if  that’s what you’re intending. Anywhere else will just cause them pain. Of course, you could always aim for the eye if you want to hurt them severely but not have a near-100% kill chance.

It’s why shark encounters can be deadly. The shark doesn’t usually aim to eat the person. It only bites a portion of what it thinks is a seal or fish–and usually that’s a leg. So by the time it realizes its mistake and lets go, it has already damaged the femoral blood vessels.

I am not a trained professional in either treating wounds or causing them, and I apologize if this makes me seem creepy or like I do this normally. I don’t. It’s just a weird bit of knowledge I have.

@theducktator lol you’re welcome!!