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October 25, 2023 at 12:03 pm #160399Anonymous
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@mineralizedwritings Don’t worry, I’ll 100% be sure to tag you <3
(and since we use Marvel examples so much, hereās mine.) like how Wanda & Pietro want revenge on the Avenger (mostly Tony) but we also see in the deleted scene (why they had to delete them I donāt know) that they really do care for people
so while some characters are angry and hate everyone others really only want revenge on a few people
Yep, exactly.
(also, may be unnecessary info, but Jakob is also the tallest of the Bois, standing at 6’4″ XD legit a giantš)
I do too!! They sound sweet and broken and just perfection
(i can totally go more in-depth about the others too if you wanted…š¤XD)
Okay that makes sense, kind of Cinderella vibes here *gasps* this whole story honestly gives me Cinderella vibes
evil stepmother comes in, spoils the two daughters and the boys represent Cinderella
and so on
Haha, it does have a little bit of that vibe! š¤£š
Also Iām really struggling to start my book (yes itās going to be a book now) because Iām doing four different POVs
I know itās a lot, but Iāve done it before and thereās really no other way to do it
but I donāt know what POV to start with, and if Iāll will just skip through time instead of doing a really long Proluege, like starting with Marek going off to fight in the first few chapters and then skipping to a year later in the rest of the chapters
What do you guys think?
Heh, I understand completely š
well, first off, you need to figure out which character you consider to be theĀ mainĀ main character. Like for Freedom’s Fire, for example, I started with Leon’s POV bc he was the main character even more than Riker in several ways (though in the 2nd book, I start with Riker, and in the 3rd one, I’ll go back to Leon, lol)
also, it’s still totally up to you, but i think starting the first few chapters with Marek and then skipping a few years would be a little…confusing?
Have you possibly considered showing what Marek did/went through by showing it through Marek’s memories/PTSD so you don’t have to skip years and make the book confusing?
so, like, as an example (and I’m not perfect by any means!! I’m still figuring this stuff out too!) I wanted to show the connection betweenĀ Freedom’s FireĀ andĀ Broken ShacklesĀ with the first scene, and my mom gave me the idea of Riker having a nightmare of a scene that occurred in the first book that also has nightmare elements, to connect the two books without going back in time or having a lengthy amount of dialogue to “explain” how the 2 novels were connected.
So I’m just wondering if you’ve ever thought of showing what Marek’s been through maybe bit by bit through memories, nightmares, PTSD, etc, instead of skipping years and possibly confusing readers. Just trying to help out where I can šš Feel free to take my advice or leave it; neither will hurt my feelings <3
October 25, 2023 at 12:08 pm #160402Anonymous- Rank: Chosen One
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here’s a bit of an example of something similar you could do to help elaborate what I’m trying to explainš
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Wind whipped around him; he pulled his uniform tighter around his shoulders.
Sweat made his hands slip on his rifle. His bright locks stuck to his forehead.
It was his first battle…his first taste of war…and he was about to charge right into it.
Marek’s heart thudded so hard he heard it in his head. Fear…it tasted so bitter.
Maybe he was ready for battle.
If only he had known what the future held.
Marek awoke with a start, sweat perspiring from his forehead, sitting in bed in a cold sweat. No, no…no! He didn’t want memories from years ago…he didn’t want to be reminded of all he’d been through.
He didn’t want to be reminded of all the lives he wasn’t able to save.
sorry, I got carried awayš anyways, that’s kinda what I was trying to show…it’s a lot easier and better to show readers a character’s story bit by bit oftentimes.
but again, take what I say with a grain of salt. This is your book, and you’re free to do whatever you need to do with it <3
October 25, 2023 at 12:29 pm #160411@freedomwriter76
(also, may be unnecessary info, but Jakob is also the tallest of the Bois, standing at 6ā4ā³ XD legit a giantš)
Well tall guys are the best so XD
(i can totally go more in-depth about the others too if you wantedā¦š¤XD)
Yessssss please do!!!!!!
Have you possibly considered showing what Marek did/went through by showing it through Marekās memories/PTSD so you donāt have to skip years and make the book confusing?
So, I am not going to lie I did like an hour after I suggested skipping a year, I decided on going the flashback route, which I think will make the story a lot deeper and explain how they’re all struggling with these memories (not all of the characters have PT-SD but they still all have those sad lurking memories)well, first off, you need
to figure out which character you consider to be theĀ mainĀ main character. Like for Freedomās Fire, for example, I started with Leonās POV bc he was the main character even more than Riker in several ways (though in the 2nd book, I start with Riker, and in the 3rd one, Iāll go back to Leon, lol)
*Gasps* okay I kind of figured that Riker was more the main character, but that makes sense
I also think the way you started your second book was smart and it worked well with the story
it reminded the readers of why they’re reading the next book because Riker and Leon still have these struggles
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-ThorneOctober 25, 2023 at 12:47 pm #160417Anonymous- Rank: Chosen One
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@smiley @hybridlore @euodia-vision @mineralizedwritings
here’s the first side character aesthetic!!!
y’all, I might cry šš
October 25, 2023 at 12:55 pm #160419@freedomwriter76
excuse me as I go cry again for Marek, that’s so good!!!! And I kind of wrote something similar
because I was thinking that Marek would make friends with Pierre (a younger French soldier, who we really don’t see) and then when Marek gets to France he has to be the one to tell Pierre family what happened and it’s kind of just more guilt on the poor boy
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-ThorneOctober 25, 2023 at 12:58 pm #160421@freedomwriter76
*Me having no clue who this guy is yet crying anyway* I love it!!!
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-ThorneOctober 25, 2023 at 2:11 pm #160437@anyone interested
I have Marek’s first scene (he’ll most likely not start the book but this is like his first POV)
and it also is pretty rough (but it’s the first draft and I’m trying to not edit too much)
Bullets, bombings, and the very soldiers who had helped him were lying pale on the ground next to him.Ā
Marek had never felt so very alone until now. He had heard stories about the battles in World War I, but he had never realized just how terrible the battlegrounds were. How numb your body became to pain and soreness. The constant headache that came with the loud noise all around him.Ā
Pierre, the man who had been adamant about helping the poor Polish soldier that Marek had been, turned to look at him.Ā
āWhy are you standing there scared?! Throw everything you have at them!ā Pierre cried.Ā
Marek shook as he grabbed his gun, he aimed at a German, but his finger paused before pulling the trigger. All the lectures he had heard about the value of life came flooding back, but he managed to make his mind numb as his finger pinched the trigger. A loud bang was followed by a scream from the German soldier. Marek turned to look at Pierre, whose brown hair was covered in chunks of mud.Ā
āFirst time?ā Pierre asked, preparing his gun for fire again.Ā
Marek looked Pierre in the eyes, was it that obvious, could everyone here really see the plain terror written on his face? Marek nodded, sweat soaking every inch of his body.Ā
āItās hard, then I remember my family back home, I have to do this for them,ā Pierre stated, firing his gun again.Ā
Marek let that sink in, thinking about his own family back home. He grabbed his gun and aimed again, this time it felt a little easier, which only brought on more guilt. Did he really want to become numb to killing?Ā
This time another scream followed the pulling of his trigger, but this one was louder, and closer to him. He turned to see Pierre, a gunshot right in the chest.Ā
Marek woke up, running a hand through his hair. His breathing was heavy, probably more heavy than it had been when he was actually on the battlefield.
Marek slipped out of bed, lying the covers flat. He got dressed and then looked around. Five-AM was pretty early to start the day, but it was no use trying to go back to bed. Marek pulled back the curtain to look out the hotel widow. A few Nazis signs covered the city street, but overall France was doing pretty well, at least on the outside. It made Marek mad, Poland, his home country was no doubt in misery because they fought for their freedom. And then thereās France, who gave up before the battle even began. They turned on the Allies and gave in to the Germans, and that was the sad reality, he only hoped that places like Britain would stand strong.
People filled the city sidewalks, they walked around blind to the reality that everyday Jews and others were rounded up and taken to camps. Others were doing everything in their power to fight, no matter the risk. Marek had become one of those people, but he was yet to risk much, after all, he was still staying in a fancy hotel that had every amenity a person could want.
Guilt stung at him, Pierre fought as nobly as he could for his country, and what France had done, felt almost like a betrayal of his sacrifice.
Marek tried to shake the pain away, but really he was just burying it to deal with later. He had more important things to do, and it was time to start another day in this chaotic mess that was the world.
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-ThorneOctober 25, 2023 at 3:27 pm #160446@freedomwriter76
DIETRICH!! NOOO!! šš
Awww, that scene is good, but sad.
I rolled the log over and underneath was a tiny little stick and I was like, "That log had a child
October 25, 2023 at 4:06 pm #160460@freedomwriter76
Aww I love it ššš
"And so I left this world just as I had entered it. Confused."
October 25, 2023 at 6:22 pm #160487Anonymous- Rank: Chosen One
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@euodia-vision @mineralizedwritings I know y’all…it makes me so sad ššš
@smiley love the scene!!!(oh, and for when you edit, I just wanted to let you know that WWI was called the “Great War” until the years after WWII š i didn’t know that for a long time, lol! XD)
October 25, 2023 at 6:32 pm #160489Anonymous- Rank: Chosen One
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@smiley Oh, and also…so…you wanna hear about the rest of the Bois?
Welp, who better to start with than Leo? (the oldest…and my fav šš¤XD)
So, having been 10 when Adinah had to leave, Leo remembers his birth mother better than any of his brothers do. He remembers her gentle spirit and her loving, doting nature, and much unlike his brothers, he even remembers the days when Felix was a kinder man than he is now.
Though he didn’t understand why, Leo knew that his mother was going to leave, and with the utmost sincerity, 10-year-old Leo made a promise to his mother that he would take care of his brothers.
But in the 16 years since his mother’s departure, Leo has seen his brothers be abused and felt abuse himself, and he blames God for it, which leads to conflict between him and Joshua.
But underneath his tough exterior that only seems to blame God for his pain…
…Leo blames himself more than anyone.
He failed his brothers…and if his mother could see, Leo “knows” that she wouldn’t be proud of him…she’d be ashamed.
Naturally protective, loyal, and loving, Leo will do anything in his power to protect his brothers, including taking on the entire blame when they get into trouble, often taking his brothers’ beatings on himself just to protect them. An avid reader like all of his brothers, Leo loves the creativity found in fiction and loves the facts presented in non-fiction books.
Sweet and gentle, Leo can often be found comforting his brothers and even cradling Wolfgang when he needs extra comfort and reassurance.
Leo meets Talia, a young Jewish woman scarred by her previous abusive marriage, who has a young daughter named Ella. Leo loves them both, and they become more people he swears to protect.
Leo wants hope…but he doesn’t know where to find it.
Does he believe in a God?
Yeah, sure.
But not a good one.
He doesn’t think he can forgive God for letting him and his brothers be abused…
and Leo especially can’t forgive himself for failing his brothers.
October 25, 2023 at 7:18 pm #160495Anonymous- Rank: Chosen One
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@smileyĀ @hybridloreĀ @euodia-visionĀ @mineralizedwritings
another side character aesthetic!!!
Angelina Jennie Schind, Jakob’s love interest (and Riker’s younger sister <3)
October 25, 2023 at 10:46 pm #160538@freedomwriter76
*Sobs* Leo!!!! why would you do this to him?!
And ooohhhh I like her, wait did she get abused by Riker’s father?
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-ThorneOctober 25, 2023 at 10:50 pm #160540(oh, and for when you edit, I just wanted to let you know that WWI was called the āGreat Warā until the years after WWII š i didnāt know that for a long time, lol! XD)
I did not know that, thanks!!
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-ThorneOctober 26, 2023 at 1:02 pm #160598Anonymous- Rank: Chosen One
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@smiley You’re welcome <3
*Sobs* Leo!!!! why would you do this to him?!
And ooohhhh I like her, wait did she get abused by Rikerās father?
I’m sorry…I know it’s sad š
Aww, I’m so glad you do!! š„° maybe some but not as much as Riker (which is partially bc of Franz’s reason and the fact that Riker would often take the blame for herš„¹šš)
But she did see a lot of abuse, and has had to make the decision to forgive her father for hurting her mother and especially her brother.
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