writing historical fictions

[Anonymous]

@smiley Uhm…uh…..

 

*raises hand*

 

can I maybe hear about these ideas sometime???

 

Pwease? 🥺

 

😂🤪😝😂

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@freedomwriter76

So… here’s the general idea… and it would probably be just a short story or something

and I’m very new to the Historical fiction world, so I’m not sure how creative this is or if it’s already been done a million times

so please give your honest thoughts (I can take criticism)

 

Filip was a good man, but the loss of his wife and now son has brought great devastation, and he refused to lose his youngest daughter who’s blind. In an agreement to not take his daughter, Filip does work as an informer for the Nazis. As much guilt as it brings him, he feels he has no other choice, but when his job leads him against his oldest daughter he’s left questioning everything.

Lena never meant to go against her father, she had been working for the resistance before her father had begun to help Hitler. She had only meant to help others, to save others, no matter the price. But when the price of freedom becomes higher, so does the things that she and her teammate have to do. And Lena is caught in a battle she can’t win when she falls for a Jewish man, Aaron who’s in serious danger and she’s forced to face her father to save him.

Marek’s were traumatized, making it out of the battle between Germany and Poland had been the most difficult task. And now the reward for running from the soviet army and the nazis is to go help the Allies. But the battleground doesn’t pair well with his shell shock, and he’s quickly injured and taken to France. He dreams of seeing his father and two sisters again, but those dreams are put on hold when Germany invades France. Now he finds himself helping people escape from camps and working with a resistance, all in the hope of this war coming to an end.

Do me a favor…. Tell Cress I meant it
-Thorne

[Anonymous]

@smiley Okay…so…uh….

 

I LOVE IT SO FAR!!!

 

ok, ok…though Resistance work is written about a lot with WWII fiction, I absolutely LOVE how you’re planning on writing it in this story 😍 like, her and her father having to confront…so many emotions! (also, did u know that there were real life stories from ww2 of people not Jewish falling in love with Jews?? An SS officer even did it…)

 

I can only guess that Lena is hiding somewhere?? Because the Nazis would take her in a heartbeat, even if her father was collaborating with them. (her being a “drain on society” according to their beliefs)

Is Filip German, Polish, or something else? Because that can also affect how much the Nazis would trust him/be willing to keep Lena safe

If they’re Polish, the Nazis would still deem them as “inferior”. Basically, the Nazis thought that Jews, Slavic People (including Poles and Russians), Gypsies (Roma people), anyone with mental/physical differences/deformities were all inferior to the Aryan people.

An Aryan was supposed to be tall, blonde, blue-eyed, and basically at the top of fitness (just imagine Steve Rogers, oddly enough XD)

The only people group the Nazis sought to completely destroy were the Jews, but they also killed about 5 million Non-Jews in the concentration camps and (including civilian deaths and what they did to the Russian people on their attack on the Soviet Union) killed approximately 30 to 35 million people overall.

 

so it’s also important for me to ask…where does this book take place?

 

Also, I’m a little confused about Marek…what exactly is going on with him?

[Anonymous]

Feel free to take your time responding…I know I dumped a lot of info on you at once XD

[Anonymous]

also, please forgive my ramblings…this is a topic I am very passionate/nerdy about 😅

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@freedomwriter76

For one, don’t worry about rambling, I rather enjoy a good rant (sine I’ve been known to give them, just ask my cabin mates at camp XD)

I can only guess that Lena is hiding somewhere?? Because the Nazis would take her in a heartbeat, even if her father was collaborating with them. (her being a “drain on society” according to their beliefs)

Is Filip German, Polish, or something else? Because that can also affect how much the Nazis would trust him/be willing to keep Lena safe

So for right now, Lena has planned to keep things very hush-hush, really only doing underground work and keeping things pretty low, but Aaron could change all of that

Filip is Polish, and the goal here is to show that the Germans weren’t exactly trustworthy, and he was actually quite hesitant about helping the Nazis, but they gave him a few cryptic threats (Like mentioning how he has a daughter who’s blind, and she should be needing treatment…) So he feels for the safety of his daughter he has no choice but to help them

An Aryan was supposed to be tall, blonde, blue-eyed, and basically at the top of fitness (just imagine Steve Rogers, oddly enough XD)

Okay so I did know that, but I never thought of Steve Rogers… wow XD (Honestly he looked more German than the German scientist who experimented on him)

The only people group the Nazis sought to completely destroy were the Jews, but they also killed about 5 million Non-Jews in the concentration camps and (including civilian deaths and what they did to the Russian people on their attack on the Soviet Union) killed approximately 30 to 35 million people overall.

I read that and it made me so sad!!!!!! Poland was actually some of the worst since they fought Germany heavily, whereas France and Denmark weren’t as bad since they had basically surrendered in all of ten seconds

 

so it’s also important for me to ask…where does this book take place?

So it sort of jumps all over the place, since it starts with Germany invading Poland, and then it jumps to around the time when Germany invades France

 

Also, I’m a little confused about Marek…what exactly is going on with him?

So basically he meets up with the Allie forces near Dunkirk, where he manages to get on one of the boats (but get’s severe injuries) then when we skip to France being invaded, he’s finally recovered at one of the hospitals and then is faced with the fact that he can’t go home

which leads him to join one of the resistances in France

 

Do me a favor…. Tell Cress I meant it
-Thorne

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(also, did u know that there were real life stories from ww2 of people not Jewish falling in love with Jews?? An SS officer even did it…)

No, I didn’t but that’s like really sweet because it’s like Romeo and Juliet (meaning it’s also really sad…)

Do me a favor…. Tell Cress I meant it
-Thorne

[Anonymous]

@smiley

For one, don’t worry about rambling, I rather enjoy a good rant (sine I’ve been known to give them, just ask my cabin mates at camp XD)

Ok…be ready for rants then XD

So for right now, Lena has planned to keep things very hush-hush, really only doing underground work and keeping things pretty low, but Aaron could change all of that

Okay, good to know…she could escape most detection that way for sure.

Filip is Polish, and the goal here is to show that the Germans weren’t exactly trustworthy, and he was actually quite hesitant about helping the Nazis, but they gave him a few cryptic threats (Like mentioning how he has a daughter who’s blind, and she should be needing treatment…) So he feels for the safety of his daughter he has no choice but to help them

Okay…alright…

 

with how the Nazis saw Poles & just from what you’ve told me so far, it would possibly be more fitting (and always keep in mind your own story…i don’t know enough about this book yet to really talk about the plot) if there was a specific Nazi Official that offered him that, rather than a group of Nazis…but again, whatever you feel would be best for the story/historical accuracy

There were Polish Nazi collaborators during ww2, but compared to most other countries the Nazis invaded, it was very few. There were substantially more Romanian, French, etc., collaborators during ww2 than Polish ones.

Okay so I did know that, but I never thought of Steve Rogers… wow XD (Honestly he looked more German than the German scientist who experimented on him)

LOL, right? XD I didn’t think about it either until Godly said something about it, and I was like: “Hmm” 😂

I read that and it made me so sad!!!!!! Poland was actually some of the worst since they fought Germany heavily, whereas France and Denmark weren’t as bad since they had basically surrendered in all of ten seconds

Same 😔 Yep, Poland fought back as hard as they could…and Poland has been known to probably be one of the countries (if not the country) that resisted the Nazis the most, along with France

So it sort of jumps all over the place, since it starts with Germany invading Poland, and then it jumps to around the time when Germany invades France

Okay…so about a year time skip, approximately?

So basically he meets up with the Allie forces near Dunkirk, where he manages to get on one of the boats (but get’s severe injuries) then when we skip to France being invaded, he’s finally recovered at one of the hospitals and then is faced with the fact that he can’t go home

which leads him to join one of the resistances in France

Okay…alright. So is Marek English, French, German, Russian, etc? Considering you said something about the Russians and Nazis, I’m guessing he’s Polish???

No, I didn’t but that’s like really sweet because it’s like Romeo and Juliet (meaning it’s also really sad…)

Yeah 🥺😭

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@freedomwriter76

 

Okay, good to know…she could escape most detection that way for sure.

Yeah, and honestly the story is in very early development, meaning that there could always be a spy or something

Okay…alright…

 

with how the Nazis saw Poles & just from what you’ve told me so far, it would possibly be more fitting (and always keep in mind your own story…i don’t know enough about this book yet to really talk about the plot) if there was a specific Nazi Official that offered him that, rather than a group of Nazis…but again, whatever you feel would be best for the story/historical accuracy

Well yeah, it probably is just one officer or at least one at a time, it would probably be like the Gestapo or something since they were more spy-like… *starts humming catchy spy music*

There were Polish Nazi collaborators during ww2, but compared to most other countries the Nazis invaded, it was very few. There were substantially more Romanian, French, etc., collaborators during ww2 than Polish ones.

Yeah, which is why it’s honestly sad that he has to betray his country because he can’t imagine losing his daughter

LOL, right? XD I didn’t think about it either until Godly said something about it, and I was like: “Hmm” 😂

XD, honestly no being beat up in the alley ways sort of make sense

Okay…so about a year time skip, approximately?

Yeah pretty much

Okay…alright. So is Marek English, French, German, Russian, etc? Considering you said something about the Russians and Nazis, I’m guessing he’s Polish???

Okay, so I realize I never gave last names… but Marek is Filip’s son and Lena’s brother who was supposedly lost at war

And he’s polish

Do me a favor…. Tell Cress I meant it
-Thorne

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Also I was just reminded of this book that was a historical non fiction, about these teen boys who actually formed a resistance in denmark

they took weapons and sabotaged the forces

and they were disappointed in their country for surrendering so quickly

I think it’s called “the boys who challenged Hitler” totally recommend

Do me a favor…. Tell Cress I meant it
-Thorne

[Euodia]

@freedomwriter76 @smiley

*quietly watches from the sidelines*

I love WWII and I’m loving this so far.

I rolled the log over and underneath was a tiny little stick and I was like, "That log had a child

[Anonymous]

@euodia-vision Same XD

 

@smiley

Yeah, and honestly the story is in very early development, meaning that there could always be a spy or something

True. A spy could totally be added.

(and girl…I was just reading it yesterday…you NEED to read “Resistance” by Jennifer A. Nielson. It’s about a teen Jewish girl that’s in an anti-Nazi resistance group in Poland during ww2…it is AMAZING so far, and it would be a great historical fiction to read, especially for you)

Well yeah, it probably is just one officer or at least one at a time, it would probably be like the Gestapo or something since they were more spy-like… *starts humming catchy spy music*

Yes, the Gestapo would be fitting.

The SS was similar (the Gestapo is actually a division of the SS, I believe), but they were usually focused more on running the camps, so yes, a Gestapo Officer would probably be the most fitting

(also keep in mind that there was also the “Blue” Police, or the Polizei, a Polish Police Force that the Nazis instituted in occupied Poland)

Yeah, which is why it’s honestly sad that he has to betray his country because he can’t imagine losing his daughter

*silently wonders if he’s going to be my fav character*

 

considering he only did all of it to protect his daughter…do you see a redemption possible for him, or no? (i know you’re still plotting all this out, I was just curious if you’ve thought about it, lol!)

XD, honestly no being beat up in the alley ways sort of make sense

LOL 😂

Yeah pretty much

Good to know.

Okay, so I realize I never gave last names… but Marek is Filip’s son and Lena’s brother who was supposedly lost at war

And he’s polish

 

*GASPS* Ooohhhhhhhhh!!

Okay…alright…so he definitely will need to stay hidden with the French Resistance.

Now, if I’m not mistaken, there was NOT an “official” French Resistance in the first year of the Invasion of France. People resisted, but there wasn’t an official resistance yet, if you know what I mean. Like, the famous French Resistance, I believe (and be sure to do your own research…I haven’t researched about this in a long time XD), wasn’t an official group until around 1941 or 1942

 

Oh yeahhh, you’ve told me about that one before! I really need to find it somewhere😝😂

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@freedomwriter76

(and girl…I was just reading it yesterday…you NEED to read “Resistance” by Jennifer A. Nielson. It’s about a teen Jewish girl that’s in an anti-Nazi resistance group in Poland during ww2…it is AMAZING so far, and it would be a great historical fiction to read, especially for you)

*Gasps* Okay now I’m totally going to be looking that up today

Yes, the Gestapo would be fitting.

The SS was similar (the Gestapo is actually a division of the SS, I believe), but they were usually focused more on running the camps, so yes, a Gestapo Officer would probably be the most fitting

(also keep in mind that there was also the “Blue” Police, or the Polizei, a Polish Police Force that the Nazis instituted in occupied Poland)

The SS will make an appearance since the brother is helping to save people from camps, and I didn’t know Blue Police was their name (because I had heard of the Order Police)

*silently wonders if he’s going to be my fav character*

I mean he is a very broken boi so he could easily XD

 

considering he only did all of it to protect his daughter…do you see a redemption possible for him, or no? (i know you’re still plotting all this out, I was just curious if you’ve thought about it, lol!)

*sighs* I do think he’ll get redeemed… but I can’t promise he’ll get a happy ending… (So far my plan for him is for him to end with some sort of sacrifice that costs his life)

Sorry…

Now, if I’m not mistaken, there was NOT an “official” French Resistance in the first year of the Invasion of France. People resisted, but there wasn’t an official resistance yet, if you know what I mean. Like, the famous French Resistance, I believe (and be sure to do your own research…I haven’t researched about this in a long time XD), wasn’t an official group until around 1941 or 1942

Well, my plan for the whole book was to not use actual resistances and kind of make up my own… and both of the resistances that the sister and brother help with are going to be quite small

Like basically a bunch of people deciding this nuts and I’m going to do something

Oh yeahhh, you’ve told me about that one before! I really need to find it somewhere😝😂

It is amazing, mostly because while they were trying to stop the Nazis, they were still teen boys who made some idiotic decisions overall there was quite a bit of humor in the book, and it’s very well written

But honestly, now I’m actually really loving this story idea (I totally see why you enjoy writing this genre)

Even if the research is terribly depressing

 

Do me a favor…. Tell Cress I meant it
-Thorne

[Anonymous]

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The SS will make an appearance since the brother is helping to save people from camps, and I didn’t know Blue Police was their name (because I had heard of the Order Police)

Ohhh, ok! (well, there were different established Police forces in different Nazi-Occupied countries. ALSO, half of Poland was Nazi-Occupied and the other half was Soviet-Occupied, so that could also make a difference XD)

I mean he is a very broken boi so he could easily XD

*sighs* I do think he’ll get redeemed… but I can’t promise he’ll get a happy ending… (So far my plan for him is for him to end with some sort of sacrifice that costs his life)

Sorry…

*CRIES*

YOU’RE GONNA MAKE ME LOVE HIM AND THEN KILL HIM??? 😭😭😭

 

how dare you, Miley…how dare you

 

jkjk, I totally understand…I do it all the time XD

Well, my plan for the whole book was to not use actual resistances and kind of make up my own… and both of the resistances that the sister and brother help with are going to be quite small

Like basically a bunch of people deciding this nuts and I’m going to do something

OHH, okay, I see!!! Sounds cool! (ooh, you should watch the movie “Return to the Hiding Place”. Tho it’s about Holland, it is also an amazing WW2 movie (and a Christian movie!!) about a resistance that worked closely with Corrie Ten Boom, mostly made up of College students! It’s free on Tubi, a free streaming service…that’s where I watched it XD)

It is amazing, mostly because while they were trying to stop the Nazis, they were still teen boys who made some idiotic decisions overall there was quite a bit of humor in the book, and it’s very well written

But honestly, now I’m actually really loving this story idea (I totally see why you enjoy writing this genre)

Even if the research is terribly depressing

Haha, sounds like a lot of fun to read 😂

Yess, his-fic is so much fun!! (but I love History so much that it’s kinda expected for me to write/like it XD)

It is, but soooo important. Not just for writing the story, but for you, too. Knowing History is sooo much more important than people ever realize, for “those who don’t know History are doomed to repeat it”.

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@freedomwriter76

Ohhh, ok! (well, there were different established Police forces in different Nazi-Occupied countries. ALSO, half of Poland was Nazi-Occupied and the other half was Soviet-Occupied, so that could also make a difference XD)

Aww yes, the one thing that never ends in historical fiction… research XD

*CRIES*

YOU’RE GONNA MAKE ME LOVE HIM AND THEN KILL HIM??? 😭😭😭

 

how dare you, Miley…how dare you

 

jkjk, I totally understand…I do it all the time XD

*Me using my fingers to count all the wonderful charries you’ve killed* Do you remember Fin?! XD

Sometimes part of redemption is sacrifice (*me being shocked by my own words* ooh that was good, I’ll have to remember that XD)

OHH, okay, I see!!! Sounds cool! (ooh, you should watch the movie “Return to the Hiding Place”. Tho it’s about Holland, it is also an amazing WW2 movie (and a Christian movie!!) about a resistance that worked closely with Corrie Ten Boom, mostly made up of College students! It’s free on Tubi, a free streaming service…that’s where I watched it XD)

I feel like I’ve heard of it, but I’ll try to watch it soon

*me adding it to the list of books and movies that people recommend* Everyone has one of these lists XD

It is, but soooo important. Not just for writing the story, but for you, too. Knowing History is sooo much more important than people ever realize, for “those who don’t know History are doomed to repeat it”.

Yes!!! I was discussing that with my Dad (my Mom’s huge into theology and my Dad is a huge fan of history) and how it’s so important to remember WWII and other history and learn from the mistakes our countries made

like Poland and France didn’t have a huge military because they thought there wouldn’t ever be another war, yet there was and they were left defenseless to Germany and Russian who had weapons way above most countries

 

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-Thorne

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