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    Jenna Terese
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      @rochellaine

      Awesome, I’ll check these out. Thank you! 🙂 I’ve heard of both Singin’ in the Rain and Oklahoma! but I don’t know much about them.


      @seekjustice
      I have seen Mary Poppins and I love it. 🙂

      Not sure about the magic part, it depends. As for scary, well, I believe my siblings could handle it. 😉

      I'm a Kapeefer 'TIL WE'RE OLD AND GREY!
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      #76781
      Rochellaine
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        @seekjustice You should definitely read the novel.  The Princess Bride happens to be one of the very few stories with which the movie and book are equally good.  But the book is very different from the movie.

        Well…I’m wondering where the love/hate relationship with the movie comes from, in that case? 😛  Glad you don’t think ridiculous is negative! 😉


        @jenwriter17
        Have you read The Princess Bride book? (Or seen the movie?)

        I don’t like the MBTI test.  Or any personality type test.  *puts hands up and backs away slowly* Don’t-don’t – I only meant – it’s really – personality tests are great!  they’re perfect!  They’re amazing!

        …Jen?  SeekJustice?  Anyone?

        "Sylvester - Sylvester!"

        #76782
        SeekJustice
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          @jenwriter17

          Oh, that’s good. Mary Poppins is very awesome (or indeed, practically perfect).

          (The concept of the movie is that there’s a curse on the Romanovs, which is why they all died. And the curse is trying to kill Anastasia. So it’s portrayed in a negative light…but yeah).


          @rochellaine

          Well, I…find it highly annoying. Like, ridiculous to the point that it’s annoying. While I am a fairly ridiculous person, I do prefer serious things, as you’ve probably noticed.

          As for personality types, I have an insatiable demand to understand everything. MBTI helps me do that, though of course, it’s only human theory and not in the least perfect. Despite its many faults, I do see quite a lot of truth in it. And while I think I should be careful boxing up humans (though I do it too much!) I find it incredibly helpful for writing characters who are different to me.

          INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.

          #76783
          Jenna Terese
          @jenwriter17
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            @rochellaine I’ve heard of the movie, but I haven’t seen it or read the book.

            haha, really? Don’t worry, we won’t attack you for not liking personality tests. 😉 is there a particular reason why you don’t like them?


            @seekjustice
            realized I didn’t answer your first question. 😉 The only personality type I think I’ve decided on is for one character named Jax, who may be an ISTJ since he’s so much like my brother. Most of my other characters are introverts. So the “I” is decided on them. 😉

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            #76784
            SeekJustice
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              @jenwriter17 I remember Jax, but I don’t remember the characters vividly enough to really say if they’re this type or that. (I have an overabundance of introverts too! I guess I find it hard to imagine what it’s like being extroverted!)

              INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.

              #76785
              Jenna Terese
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                @seekjustice haha, now that I think back I very rarely had an extroverted character! 😀

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                #76786
                SeekJustice
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                  @jenwriter17 Well, out of only my four mainest characters, Chessy’s the only extrovert, and even then…she’s kind of an introverted extrovert 😛

                  INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.

                  #76787
                  Jenna Terese
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                    @rochellaine @seekjustice Well, lovely ladies, I have to depart now. I might be on for a bit tomorrow. Bye!

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                    #76788
                    Rochellaine
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                      @jenwriter17 Well, I don’t like them because I don’t trust them, and I think they kind of limit people.  I feel like if you tell someone “Hey, you’re an introvert!” they’ll think about it, then they’ll believe you, and they won’t ever try to be an extrovert.  They’ll just think, “Oh, I’m an introvert, I don’t have to go out and meet people.”  So…that kind of thing.  I think there are personality types, but in my experience they’re so fluid that what matches someone now won’t necessarily match them six months from now, especially if the person makes a conscious decision to change their behavior, but not necessarily only in that case.

                      Does that make sense?  Oh well, you’ve left.  I’d be happy to talk about this later, since I’ve noticed that the MBTI test is huge here and on SE. 😉  Farewell for now!


                      @seekjustice

                      Haha, yeah, you’re more of a serious person, I guess. 😛

                      I get what you mean. 😉 Writing characters with different personalities is difficult.  And I don’t mind it as much with characters, because they don’t know the personality types you’ve assigned to them, so they can’t really be boxed in by it.  (See my above answer to Jen.)  Have you ever considered writing a character who starts out with one personality type and ends up with another?  My biggest problem with character personality types is that I wonder where the character arc takes place.

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                      SeekJustice
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                        @jenwriter17

                        Bye!


                        @Rochellaine

                        Introverts only joke about that (I think anyway). I quite like people actually. I would argue though that labelling people as extrovert/introvert is helpful sometimes. I have extrovert friends who just don’t understand the need to be left alone, so in that case reading about introverts would be helpful for them to understand.

                        I have numerous times written a character as one thing and then changed my mind as I’ve written the novel.

                        INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.

                        #76790
                        Rochellaine
                        @rochellaine
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                          @seekjustice Yeah, I definitely know what you mean. 😛  There are some people who think it would be a perfect tragedy to be not able to talk to someone for five minutes.

                          Hm, well, that’s not exactly what I meant.  I mean, what if your character’s arc was that he learned to take things as they come, and not expect things to be in little boxes?  Would it be possible that he could be for the first half of the book an ESTJ and then by the end turn into an ENFP? (Sorry if the personality types I picked out totally don’t make sense with what I’m saying.  I’ve not done much study of the MBTI types myself)  I mean, the fact that he learned how to behave differently would specifically change his personality type, wouldn’t it?

                          I’m not meaning that you could write in your notebook that a character’s personality type is one way, then realize while you’re writing the story that it works better with another personality type, but that the character could actually have two different personality types over the course of the story.

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                          #76791
                          SeekJustice
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                            @rochellaine

                            Oh I see. Well, the idea behind the MBTI is that its about how people think rather than how they actually act, though obviously thought influences actions.

                            For example, the difference between Sensing and Intuition is whether someone processes information based on what they can sense and what they know to be factual, whereas intuition people process thing based more on how they feel. Say, trying to make a decision a sensor might go “this is right because the Bible says its right” and the intuitive might say “this is right because I feel it is morally right and what God wants me to do”. Whether or not they make the decision they feel is right is up to the individual person.

                            It also works on the idea that someone is not completely introverted, but rather that they are more introverted than extroverted. Its not that a particular, say, J can’t use their P, but that their natural impulse is to use J.

                            There’s lots of articles about using MBTI in fiction, but I think the thing is that no one lives up to the perfect MBTI mould and circumstances can cause people to act in ways that are contrary to their nature (that’s a basic fact though, and doesn’t really prove or disprove the MBTI) so arcs are often about people becoming more perfect, in a way. It doesn’t have to contradict the type set out for them.

                            Basically, the MBTI is no so much about decisions and actions but more about thought-processes and ways of interpreting the world.

                            INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.

                            #76792
                            Rochellaine
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                              @seekjustice Well, if I ever decided to fully study it, I’d probably become more interested in it, since I’m usually very invested in what I intentionally study.  Right now it’s pretty confusing, but I get the gist of what you’re saying. 😉

                              I was reading your blog post earlier, and wondering, since you want to make the Infinity series a trilogy, but you also want to make a Kai book, couldn’t you do something like “Infinity, the next generation” obviously not with that title, but you know what I mean?  That way you could have a second trilogy based in the same world, but separate from the first series.

                              "Sylvester - Sylvester!"

                              #76793
                              SeekJustice
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                                @rochellaine

                                I’m not even one of those super obsessed people. I find them confusing! I think its quite interesting though.

                                I have thought about that. I am kind of wary of those people who just can’t let go of their characters though and just keep going and going and going with their series. But that is a cool idea. If I get some more ideas, I’ll definitely consider it though 😛

                                INFP Queen of the Kingdom commander of an army of origami cranes and a sabre from Babylon.

                                #76794
                                Rochellaine
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                                  @seekjustice I’ve read several series which had second, third, or more additional series along the same timeline with references to the same characters.  To name a few, Gilbert Morris, Robin Jones Gunn, and Lauraine Snelling were all very successful with that.  I don’t think it’s a problem, since if people like your books they’ll want to keep learning more about what happened to the characters afterwards, or where the characters came from, or about other characters who happen to meet the original characters in a two paragraph section of a completely separate novel. 😉

                                  To bring up a completely different topic, we’ve been reading through Samuel during family worship the past few days and I once again realized how amazing Jonathan is.  So I was wondering why no one really remembers him?  Have you ever noticed how abnormally amazing he is?  I’ve wanted for a while now to write a character based on him, or a book inspired by his relationship with David, because it’s so unusual.

                                  "Sylvester - Sylvester!"

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