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@jenwriter17 I no longer think @seekjustice is the most heartless character-killer here. You are worse, in that you actually gloat over it, while she at least is sorry for her characters.
😀 My characters are doing better, I think. I’m having a bit of trouble with the hospital scenes, since I would normally ask my mom about medical stuff but she doesn’t want to read the book until it’s done, and neither do I want her to. So I’m just muddling through it and skipping a few sentences where I’m not sure what’s supposed to be happening, and hopefully it’ll be good enough that when she goes through it I can fix it with just a few edits. 😉
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Robin Hood retelling?! Wait, WHO’S doing a Robin retelling? Are you, Rochellaine? I must knoooooooooow!!!!
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www.jennaterese.com@rochellaine *innocent face* Who, me? Heartless? 😛 Why, no, I’ll prove you wrong. 😉 a conversation I just had yesterday with my brother:
Me: *flips through some pages of my WIP* *sobs*
Brother: *walking by* What are you doing?
Me: Oh my poor characters! My babies! I’m sorry…
Brother: Um, what are you doing?
Me: My poor Rin… my poor Jax… my poor Uma…
Brother: *slowly walks away* okay, then…..
😛 😛 😛
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www.jennaterese.com@seekjustice Well, I don’t like turning good guys into villains, but I have no problem with turning villains into good guys. 😛 So what I thought was…of course, first of all Prince John is good. I needed a bad guy, so King Richard will be semi-bad. I didn’t have too much of a problem with that because you don’t really get to know Richard as he only shows up at the beginning and end of the story usually. So anyway, here’s what I’ve got:
Richard has a deadly disease which no one knows about. He’s going to die soon, but he hates his brother John and doesn’t want him to inherit the kingdom. Marion is in love with Richard,(???) and he gets her to convince John to raise the taxes and do all the other stuff the original John did to persecute the peasants. Marion is the daughter of the Sheriff of Nottingham, and, according to Marion’s urging, John threatens to hurt Marion if the Sheriff doesn’t enforce the laws. (The Sheriff is good, too.)
Robin is loyal to Richard, as always, because Richard is the rightful king, and because he doesn’t know Richard is really the one behind the new laws. He hates John, because he thinks John is really the one doing the bad stuff. Of course, he’s also in love with Marion, and she uses that to gain her ends sometimes.
My only question is, what leverage does Marion use to get John to do the bad stuff, and how can I redeem Marion in the end, because she’s one of my favorite characters?
Any ideas SeekJustice or @jenwriter17?
(By the way, I decided Robin Hood should be called Jay Blue. What do you think? 😛 )
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@rochellaine Wow, that’s quite an interesting twist to the story! I love it! 😀
Maybe John could be under the delusion that he and Marion are in love as well, so he does what’s she asks (????) To redeem Marion, I’d have to think on that… maybe some backstory plays into what she does???….
Jay Blue….I like it! 😉
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www.jennaterese.comOohhh……once I had an idea for a RH retelling which involved Robin attempting to stop Prince Richard and Eleanor of aquitane from murdering King Henry. I’ve never been a fan of Richard because in real life he was only the slightest bit better than John. He was pretty awful.
Though if Richard in your story wants to doesn’t want John next in line, who does he want?
I guess you could still make John a bit cowardly and/or greedy even if he is good and Marion could be double-crossing him in some way. Lik promising the kingdom to him when she’s actually trying to get rid of him and he just goes along with it because he thinks he’s doing the right thing.
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@rochellaine @seekjustice I have to go now. I’ll see you both tomorrow maybe 🙂
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www.jennaterese.com@jenwriter17 Okay…maybe you’re not quite heartless. 😛 I’ll think on it and get back to you with the verdict.
Hm, John in love with Marion too? I considered that. I’m not sure. That would be pretty cliche, though, wouldn’t it? You have just one female character in the story, so all the men are in love with her? 😉 I guess that could be part of her character, to get everyone to fall in love with her so that she can exploit their wanting to help her to her own ends.
@seekjustice Oh, oh! Please don’t tell me what it was like in real life!!! I stick to history so much usually, let me have one fictional tale that I can love for itself!Would you like me to remind you that Anastasia died?! She was shot to death in a bloody mess with all the rest of her family!
I don’t know who would be next in line. I was thinking of it just as a sibling rivalry thing where Richard really didn’t care about the kingdom, he just hated John and didn’t want him to have anything good.
But if John were cowardly or greedy, he would still be similar to his original “bad guy” persona. The differences wouldn’t be sharp enough. If I could get her to convince him he’s doing the right thing, maybe…
I’ll probably never write this anyway, though. 😛 I’ve got too many other good story ideas.
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Its just a fact that has always bugged me. Also the king in the original Robin Hood stories is King Edward…the second, maybe?
Just a friendly reminder… Anastasia died a horrible death and they also killed her puppy, so there we go.
Well, I’m out of ideas then. Historical facts sometimes crush my creativity.
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@seekjustice Shame on me, but I’ve never actually read the original Robin Hood book. My grandmother had it a few years ago, but I never got around to reading it and now I guess it must be in storage where a lot of her stuff was put when she moved. So, my knowledge of the Robin Hood legend mostly comes from the RH opera and four or five old movies. 😛 As far as I remember, those all had Richard as the king. I think I like the opera and movie versions better, since I believe in the original story he was a real outlaw, right? I’d rather have a protagonist who is fighting for a good cause, and loyal to his true king than an outlaw who is really just a thief and murderer who has some poor friends with whom he shares his loot.
I’m your true “rose-colored glasses” girl. 😉
Did you have time to listen to anything new yesterday?
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By originals I mean the ones written 800 years ago. Not that I’ve read them either. I’ve never really been into RH. He usually becomes an outlaw because he kills someone who was making fun of him. He has a temper.
I mostly watched deaf/sign language videos but I did listen to Sobbin’ Women, which I can announce as the weirdest song I’ve heard in a long time…
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@seekjustice Yeah, no. I don’t like that version of him either. In the opera his backstory, (as far as I can remember; I saw the opera three years ago,) is his father was the Earl of Locksley, and Richard went off to fight in the Crusades, and when the Earl died, Robin should have inherited Locksley, but Prince John stole it from him. I think he gave it to the Sheriff, or someone else. So, when Robin tried to take his own castle back from the thieves, he was outlawed. Prince John imposed great taxes upon the peasants so that they had no livelihood. Robin became Robin Hood, stealing from Prince John and the new Earl because they had originally stolen from him. So, basically, he was only “stealing” what rightfully belonged to him. Then he gave to the poor, but still, it was his own money which he had a right to give away if he wanted to. John was also trying to get rid of Richard so he could be king. In the end Richard came back from the Crusades, reinstated Robin to his lands and money, and all ended happily.
Is that a better version of Robin Hood? One you can like? 😀
Hahahaha!! Do you know the actual original story of the Sabine Women? The song makes much more sense if you do.
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I believe there’s other versions where he kills some of the king’s deer. I used that one in a short story I wrote once.
Its still has a benevolent version of Richard. That is honestly the thing that annoys me most.
No, I don’t.
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@seekjustice Yes, he does usually kill the king’s deer. That usually is not the most important aspect of his outlawry, and he does it because there is no other way for him to eat, or for him to feed the people he is responsible for, (since he has many followers, and also considers himself responsible for his former tenants, the people of Locksley.) In most versions Richard was lenient in taxes, and the people had enough food without poaching deer, but John raised the taxes and that was the only way for them to survive. You like Jean Valjean, don’t you? 😉
And I still hold that you have no right to criticize the small changes made to Richard’s character when you adore the character of Anastasia which has a completely false storyline! 😉 your logic is mixed, and does not hold solid. 😛
Well, the short version is the Romans didn’t have any women, so they kidnapped the Sabine women, and married them, some say with their consent, some not. Then the fathers of the Sabine women came to take them back, but the women had children already (seriously, fathers, does it take you over a year to attempt to recapture your daughters when they were kidnapped?!) so the women convinced the fathers and their Roman husbands not to kill each other because they loved both of them. So that’s what he was talking about in the song. He wanted them to kidnap the girls and marry them, which was a very bad idea, but later along in the story he realizes it was wrong of him, and the song is very funny anyway.
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What I meant was that in some version a bloke makes fun of him and then Robin shoots one of the king’s deer to show off and that in the older versions he just shoots the guy who was making fun of him.
I love Jean Valjean. 🙂
I actually said in my post on Anastasia some time ago that I wished it had been separated from real history so that I could enjoy it without guilt. However, no one goes round claiming that Marie Antoinette was a great queen who every body loved and who cared deeply about her people, so why do we say the same about Richard? (Sorry, I will fight to the death on this issue.)
Lovely tale 🙂 I actually just read the whole thing on Wikipedia.
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