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Well @Bluejay recognizing the problem is the first step to fixing it. 😀
I question this!!! Of course I wouldn’t know, seeing as I’m not one of them, but I think I’d die if I was any more feeling than I am.
Tessa, I wasn’t speaking of the intensity of feeling— I was speaking of the ability to pick up on the very tiniest innermost feelings of another person. All empaths (all humans 😛 ) feel intensely. But some receive a higher transmittance of emotional information; they can see more, if you will.
And if you’re ENFP-T that means you’re partially ENFJ-T as well, so I think this all still applies. The only difference between an ENFP and an ENFJ is the ENFP is more carefree and light-hearted and spontaneous.
If I may ask… how close is your introversion/extroversion percentage? How much are you of both? Because if you have a high introversion number even though you’re extroverted, that will definitely exacerbate the number of things you’re able to pick up on. Introverts are better at that, for some reason.
ENFP is more carefree and light-hearted and spontaneous.
Hmm…I’m not sure that I’m carefree and light hearted.
I am 92% extroverted 8% introverted. @kate-flournoyjust because they feel everyone elses’ feelings doesn’t mean they haven’t got feelings of their own, and most of the time those are stronger than the ‘second-hand’ feelings, if you will. A perfect empath would never get impatient and would always be completely compassionate, but none of us are perfect, now are we?
@Kate-Flournoy Oh whoops, I kinda forgot that. 😛 Yes, that’s perfectly logical. Duh.It takes very little to make me cry.
@Bluejay , we’re a team here!!! Seriously, I cry talking to Kate about sad plot twists or confusing problems, even though I try not to. I cried over the villains once, and even over an awesomely great minor character. It’s sad. For some reason I don’t cry with happiness as much, though. Do you cry over happy or just sad things?
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The Lord of the Rings. If you’re only talking about the movies of each, that still applies, but the LotR books are way better than the movies in most regards (in my own humble opinion, 😉 ). I haven’t read Star Wars.@emma-flournoy This is funny because it just struck me a few days ago that you acted very ENFJ. I can see the ISFJ too. I agree with you that ENFJs are also very concerned about harmony, smoothing over conflict, and nurturing people’s inner selves. I had a discussion a while back in which another ENFJ and I agreed that this was one of our biggest defining aspects. I would have to say though that it is different from how it is for an INFP in that an ENFJ’s motivation (as far as I can see) is less “pure”. I don’t mean it’s insincere (not at all!) but it is inherently strategic and manipulative. The ENFJ sees tries to develop harmony in they way they would play chess. The important thing is to accomplish their goal. Harmony for it’s own sake is also very important, but not so important as using it to accomplish the goal. ENFJs are especially prone to avoid conflict since they are the most manage oriented type of all and getting people to work together is very important for them, even if that is not the best thing for the individuals involved (i.e. they need to resolve an issue, not avoid it.) This can actually annoy ENFJs because on the other side of there strong dislike of controversy they have very strong principles that they want everyone to believe and accept like they do. Now while I’m not an INFP myself, it does seem to me that their concern for harmony is more personal — they want people to be at harmony primarily because that’s just the way it should be. It’s a more intimate care, I guess you could say.
As for my writing and depression, I actually do get depressed about my writing. And no, I guess I don’t show it. I think think it’s just natural for me to want to set a standard of encouragement and positivity, keeping my own problems to myself. On the other hand, I do see myself progressing, so that does really help a lot. Also, as you might have picked up on from one of my comments on this thread, I’m somewhat of an emotionally dependent person. If someone ever told me they hated my work, I would probably feel severe depression, feel physically ill, and struggle to convince myself that I am doing the right thing. Thankfully though, nobody’s ever told me that. Even if they simply don’t encourage me I’ll feel depression, though it won’t be that bad and I’ll get over it quickly. 90% of the time though, I get encouragement, and that will take me miles. I’m also a very rational person, so if I can convince myself that even though I totally failed in one thing, overall I’m doing pretty good, I can compromise with myself and tell myself that’s ok. When dealing with general depression, I find the most helpful things are prayer and my belief in the absolute sovereignty of God followed by arguing with myself about why I shouldn’t be depressed (I’ll often share those reasons with somebody. I think that might be another one of my emotionally dependent things)
@corissia-maiden-of-paradise Definitely go with the tests if you’re not sure between introversion and extroversion. Before I took the test, I thought I was an introvert, my mom thought I was an introvert, and my teacher thought I was an introvert. Turns out it’s very close and I’m only 55% extrovert. Having read through my profile though and thought about it a lot and observed myself and rationalized about it, I’m very confident I’m an extrovert. That doesn’t mean I don’t have introverted aspects to me though. The biggest giveaway for an extrovert is that you get energetic around people.
@dragon-snapper I’ve never read star wars books (except one), but if you mean comparing movies to movies, it would depend on which one. 7, star wars wins. The others, it’s been a while, but I’d probably prefer LOTR. My main problem with LOTR was that I was really disappointed with a lot of the actors. The LOTR book however does beat the star wars movies.
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Do you cry over happy or just sad things?
Both. Probably sad things more frequently, but I can cry tears of happiness too. (I am fully prepared to cry at my sister’s wedding; out of happiness, that is 🙂 )
I just acted in a movie that my siblings made, and for a scene I had to cry. And I thought it would be really easy I cry over everything, but then I started to freak out. And I think it was a week before we went on set, I was rehearsing and couldn’t cry. But then I had a very real dream that made me bawl buckets. (Not the best thing when you’re trying to sleep).
So I went on set and told my siblings the dream and couldn’t stop crying. Perfect for the movie. When it is edited I’ll post the link in the movie forum and let you know. 🙂
@emma-flournoyHi @daeus, Nice to have you back. 🙂
Now while I’m not an INFP myself, it does seem to me that their concern for harmony is more personal — they want people to be at harmony primarily because that’s just the way it should be.
@Daeus spot on. You said it.The biggest giveaway for an extrovert is that you get energetic around people.
Ha! I never had any doubts as to whether or not I was an extrovert, but if I had this would put them to rest forever. Whenever I ‘people’ extensively I always feel like I have to go in rehab for the rest of the week. 😛
(See @Emma-Flournoy??? Just because I’m outgoing around people I know doesn’t make me an extrovert. *cackle*)But ENFJs are supposed to be the shyest/quietest of the extroverts, so even if they’re highly extroverted they can still be mistaken for introverts.
Nice to have you back. 😀
*stares at thread for one long moment*
*smiles suddenly*
Ahhh… the KP forum. Where every participant sooner or later becomes a human experiment.
XDBut ENFJs are supposed to be the shyest/quietest of the extroverts, so even if they’re highly extroverted they can still be mistaken for introverts.
Oh, are we? Well, now that I think of it, I believe I read that somewhere before. Anyways, it sounds right.
Now the funny thing is that people sometimes drain me, but it’s not really the interaction itself, it’s when if feel the interaction was worthless and meaningless. Then I roll up into a shell and become cynical and brain dead and tired. Why I just called that funny is currently evading me.
Ahhh… the KP forum. Where every participant sooner or later becomes a human experiment.
I sense a new t-shirt there.
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This is funny because it just struck me a few days ago that you acted very ENFJ.
@Daeus Funny that Kate said I was predominantly ISFJ? Weeelll…she said that, not I. 😉 I’ve taken the test several times because it kept turning out different, and it’s turned out ENFJ, ISFJ, INFJ, and ESFJ. (!) The only one that ever turned out the same twice was ENFJ, so I think that’s the closest, then ISFJ. It could also vary depending on my mood or who I’m with…
And I definitely see what you’re saying about ENFJs’ ‘second motive’ for wanting harmony. I do have some of that; but mostly it’s just because I hate it when people are angry with each other. (In real life. In books it’s different. 😉 ) It’s just so…unhappy. 🙁
This can actually annoy ENFJs because on the other side of there strong dislike of controversy they have very strong principles that they want everyone to believe and accept like they do.
I know EXACTLY what you mean!!
As for my writing and depression, I actually do get depressed about my writing. And no, I guess I don’t show it.
Kudos to you. What you said here—When dealing with general depression, I find the most helpful things are prayer and my belief in the absolute sovereignty of God followed by arguing with myself about why I shouldn’t be depressed—is so true. I know this. I just forget or am not firm enough with myself when I should be. Thanks for the reminder. 🙂 And yes, encouragement definitely helps (unless I’m being too stubborn to believe it. Which I shouldn’t do.).Oh, and this—Now the funny thing is that people sometimes drain me, but it’s not really the interaction itself, it’s when if feel the interaction was worthless and meaningless. Then I roll up into a shell and become cynical and brain dead and tired. —I know what you mean!
@Bluejay , that’s hilarious. I know. It’s terrible. It’s so hard to cry on purpose!
@Kate-Flournoy Just because I’m outgoing around people I know doesn’t make me an extrovert. *cackle*
Nice.
😉@emma-flournoy Yeah, you definitely seem like an ENFJ to me. Not that I’m really the one to say that, but when the idea somehow popped into my head without any context, my immediate reaction was “wow, how did I not guess that before?”
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@bluejay, @emma-flournoy, @kate-flournoy, @daeus: I found a personality test online:
https://www.16personalities.com/
I dare someone to take it (providing that someone has seen Star Wars VII more than once) choosing the answers Kylo Ren/Ben would select!
By the way, I am INFJ-T.
I will try to take the quiz with Ben Solo answers and put them online so that I can compare them to that said “someone’s” answers. 🙂@bluejay, @emma-flournoy, @kate-flournoy, @daeus: Okay. I just took the personality quiz with what I thought would be Kylo Ren/Ben’s answers and came up with ISTJ. This is what the website says:
ISTJs don’t make many assumptions, preferring instead to analyze their surroundings, check their facts and arrive at practical courses of action. ISTJ personalities are no-nonsense, and when they’ve made a decision, they will relay the facts necessary to achieve their goal, expecting others to grasp the situation immediately and take action. ISTJs have little tolerance for indecisiveness, but lose patience even more quickly if their chosen course is challenged with impractical theories, especially if they ignore key details – if challenges becomes time-consuming debates, ISTJs can become noticeably angry as deadlines tick nearer.I don’t know… I’d like to see what you guys get.
Right now, I’m just dying for Episode VIII to come out to give us all some answers….
I just love how complex characters can be!!!
@julia-r Hmm, I don’t think that fits him right.
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@daeus: Yeah, I don’t think that fits him either…
Not that I’m really the one to say that, but when the idea somehow popped into my head without any context, my immediate reaction was “wow, how did I not guess that before?”
You mean before we were talking about it on here, @Daeus, right? Huh. Well, being an ENFJ yourself, it would make sense for you to recognize others. 🙂
Oh, I thought of something. How come if ENFJs are one of the most sensitive and emotional types, you hardly ever cry (remember the topic ‘Real Men: To Cry or not to Cry’)?
(Assuming you don’t mind being asked a question like that. I figured not, since that topic was asking guys if they cry; but it never hurts to make sure. 😉 )I haven’t seen it twice. I’m not sure I’d trust myself to do that in Ren’s name.
ISTJ is my dad’s type, though, and I can tell you he is not like Kylo Ren—even if he was messed up. 😛
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