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That’s a crazy coincidence! I’m definitely going to keep working on this some more and hopefully they’ll end up more unique.🏰 Fantasy Writer
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📚 Appreciator of BooksYep! That’s the way of things. Good luck with it! There’s probably many countless aspects to explore in it that neither she or I have thought of, or anyone else.
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In my system, the users need some sort of artificial implants in their body to use mass-shifting, and they can only shift mass into the parts of their body that have implants. That’s obviously not a huge difference, but it’s something.🏰 Fantasy Writer
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📚 Appreciator of BooksInteresting. Yeah, for my sisters thing, it’s a particular character that has the ability, where they are making use of pulling particle mass from higher dimensional space (she has me come up with the explanations by the way😂), so it’s also slightly different where it doesn’t have to be a constant universal mass. So the implant thing is a different explanation, and adds a restriction. what allows the mass to move? Do the implants pull on any actual substance, or perhaps it manipulates the Higgs field? The latter option is technical, but it would be making use of concepts that could be believable, though it would turn more into sci-fi than magic.
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I definitely want keep the implants in the realm of magic rather than sci-fi. I don’t really have an explanation for how they work. I guess they somehow magically pull mass from other parts of the body into the area of the implant. This magic system isn’t too far developed, so I’ll probably come up with more of an explanation, and I’ll also probably add more powers to the implants.
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📚 Appreciator of BooksSounds good to me! So is one absolute restriction is that the mass remains constant over the whole body? What if you could pull mass from objects you touch? There would have to be a limit on this, because you could just pull mass from the ground almost indefinitely for practical purposes, which would both shadow the original idea too much and be too powerful in general. It could be interesting though where you could touch a really heavy object, pull it’s mass into your legs, then you can lift it with sudden ease, but what happens if you drop it? Does all the mass go back to it in an instant, or did you effectively steal it’s mass, making yourself heavier, and the object lighter until you impart mass back? Probably the first would be better to keep it from getting too over powered. What are your thoughts?
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What if you could pull mass from objects you touch? There would have to be a limit on this, because you could just pull mass from the ground almost indefinitely for practical purposes, which would both shadow the original idea too much and be too powerful in general.
Hmmm. Yeah that would be cool. I would definitely want to limit it so that you had to be constantly touching it and if you stopped, it would go back. To prevent drawing from the ground, I could just say that the larger the object is, the harder it is to draw its mass.
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📚 Appreciator of BooksThat’s a good restriction, another could be simply the practicality of drawing that much mass from something. Maybe you could theoretically draw mass from the planet, but there’s a limit on how much mass your body could take before you simply collapse and break bones from the weight.
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The problem I see with that is that as long as you are touching the planet, you can just draw mass up to that limit whenever you want.
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📚 Appreciator of BooksTrue, but what would be the most you could do with that? You would essentially just become really heavy, and the most you could do combat wise if your light enough to stand is have a super powerful stability, difficult to move at all. You would want the majority of that mass in your legs, but you could channel a good amount into your arm for punches if you want (there’s one issue with the high mass punches around the mechanics of momentum, but we can talk about that later). Beyond that, I can’t see it being all that overpowered really, as long as you stay within reasonable bonds, because going beyond them simply results in your death most likely.
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I could make it so that the type of mass stays the same, so if you draw mass from the ground, you just become heavier, but if you draw it from an animal or something, you could draw out muscle mass.
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📚 Appreciator of BooksThat could make sense. It makes me itch and want to ask about Ontology though. What makes muscle mass fundamentally a different thing from other forms of mass? You can say the compounds present, but then it would be weird in terms of drawing from the ground. You after all are not made from the same things the ground is for the most part. There could be ways to make it work though.
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So, I’ve been thinking for a while about creating a magic system based on music. I find music theory really interesting, so I thought it would be really interesting to basically take this existing system, and turn it into a magic system. I haven’t really gotten started on anything specific, but I wanted to hear some initial thoughts. One thing I’m specifically wondering about is how you think I should deal with the musical scale. I definitely want to use a 12 note scale, because I don’t have the scientific knowledge to create a new one, but I also don’t want it to feel weird that whatever world ends up having this magic system uses the exact same scale we do.
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📚 Appreciator of BooksMusic as magic has been a concept that has been around since the concepts of both music and magic individually were first dreamt of. It’s played out in history through myths and tales to contemporary fantasy, so there’s a lot of inspiration you could draw from. Common themes are good vs bad, beautiful vs ugly, happy vs sad music, ect having different magical effects, as that is the core of why people regard music as nearly synonymous with magic, because of the emotional experience it somehow gives.
Music as a hard magic system is probably gonna be difficult, as what makes music magical to us is the feeling that it can’t be perfectly quantified, otherwise it’s losing something. The issue with making it note based is that there are sequences of notes that aren’t going to sound like music, and what sounds good or bad is also a bit subjective with no clear line. This could still all be taken into account with a hard magic system, it just needs a careful hand, and some subjectivity probably needs t be part of it one way or another.
As far as rationalizing 12 notes from a worldbuilding prospective, that’s a hard one. I know next to nothing about Music theory myself, so I’m no help in making a new system, but people will quickly notice the 12, and may call you out for being lazy. How I might approach this though is ask first what the music is sourced from. Is it a fundamental aspect of reality, or is it a divine creation or something. If the first, you could claim there to be some physical significance to the number 12, and if the latter, you could put it up to lots of factors, perhaps even just fancy. Many worldbuilders like to make base 12 number system, because it is superior to base 10 in many ways, so if it ties to any mathematical aspect, that could be reasonable logic, just for practicality.
I hope any of this helps!
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I do already have some thoughts about generally how it would work, but that might be hard to explain to someone who doesn’t know music theory. That might end up being a problem with this whole idea, come to think of it.
I wasn’t too worried about being thought lazy for keeping a twelve note scale. I think people who don’t understand music wouldn’t care, and those who did would probably understand how incredibly difficult it would be to make a new scale.
I didn’t think about the fact that twelve is already an important number in Celestiar, so that might give me further justification.
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