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That’s fair, though it doesn’t need to be a full fledged language for things like fantasy. Just enough to have an extra aspect of your world. Brandon Sanderson doesn’t put too much stress on it, just alluding to different concepts in the languages he doesn’t care to explore. I really like to make them though, there’s another dimension of potential story telling in them I think, and there just fun.
… I also would be happy to help develop any conlangs if desired:)
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
Oh, yeah!! Ofc.
I have a few, but I’ll share the one that’s the most complete.
Also, I’ll note that a lot of this magic system was literally created last week, but several ideas date back quite far.
The magic system doesn’t actually have a name yet… (I guess I should probably figure that out lol).
Conduits:
A Conduit is the name for a magic user in this world. All Conduits have the ability to see and manipulate Threads (basically a part of a person’s soul/identity idk king of hard to explain) though how they do so is decided by their Pattern (like an order). The Patterns consist of:
Threadcaster:
Threadcasters are one of the most common forms of Conduits. They can weave new Threads into someone’s essence/soul/whatever you wanna call it. They additionally can create temporary Bonds between individuals by interweaving their Threads. Such Bonds will eventually break, either by time or distance, but while they are still in-tact, they allow transmission of vague ideas and feelings, but not direct thought. Threadcasters can also Bind a person to a place. This allows the person to speak the language of the place they are Bound to. (I don’t know how this ended up with so many similarities to some aspects of Jonas’ magic system *shrug*)
Bondrender:
Bondrenders wield the power to sever or disrupt Threads and Bonds. They can unravel an individual’s Threads, rendering them weak, and possible comatose as their Threads reknit themselves. This can be painful, but rarely causes permanent damage. Bondrenders can also break the Bonds created by Threadcasters, freeing those who were entwined. They are able to temporarily warp, but not permanently damage, Bonds made by Soulbinders (see below).
Dreamweaver:
Dreamweavers possess the power to enter the realm of dreams through Threads. They can influence dreams, providing guidance, insight, communication, or even glean information off the dreamer. Dreamweavers additionally can pull others into their own dreams, where they hold complete control.
Soulbinder:
The rarest form of Conduit, and arguably the most powerful, except, perhaps, the Voidreavers. Soulbinders are basically like Threadcasters on steroids lol. They can create a permanent Bond between individuals and places. These Bonds are much stronger than those of a Threadcaster. They allow the tansmission of direct thought and emotion. An individual Bound to a location by a Soulbinder is essentially able to merge their consciousness with the place. They can look back in time at the memories that the place has or see what is happening at that current moment. Soulbinders can also bind someone’s soul back into their dying body (I swear, I had this idea before I ever picked up Words of Radiance) though this is incredibly dangerous and can often go wrong. VERY wrong. And even Bound successfully, the soul will search for a way to escape, knowing that it no longer belongs in this world.
Endreaver:
Endreavers are extremely dangerous. They can forcibly rip Threads away and weave them into their own soul, renewing their lifeforce and empowering them. This leaves a permanent scar on the spirit of the victim, causing extreme loss of memory and sanity. The power of an Endreaver is like a swirling pit, threatening to consume the wielder. Eventually, without Threads to sustain them, they will drown in their own power.
There are a couple more Patterns that are extremely underdeveloped and so I didn’t include.
Thoughts? Questions? I feel like Soulbinders and Endreavers are too slimilar to Threadcasters and Bondrenders… 🤔
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You could just make Soulbinders and Endreavers literally just more powerful versions of Threadcastesr and Bondrenders. You could have an upgraded version of each one. Also, you put ‘Voidreaver’ at one point. I’m guessing that was a prototype name that you forgot to change?🏰 Fantasy Writer
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📚 Appreciator of BooksOh, yeah, oops. Yeah, that was the original name. It was far too similar to Voidbringer, which was not something I wanted XD.
Maybe I’ll do that…
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Yes, I suppose that I might to some extent have/do something like that. I probably would just use it to have a naming convention for things though.🏰 Fantasy Writer
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📚 Appreciator of BooksOh, yes I have to share this!
I asked ChatGPT to come up with a list of nouns. Then I told it that it had to make magic systems based on each word. Behold Mwahaha!Chair Magic System: Ergonomancy Magic users manipulate chairs to create comfort or discomfort, influence people’s moods, and even use chairs as shields or weapons. Specialized mages might craft enchanted chairs that grant temporary boosts to concentration or relaxation.
Tree Magic System: Arboromancy Arboromancers communicate with trees and harness their life energy. They can accelerate growth, manipulate branches into tools or weapons, and gain insights from the memories stored in ancient trees.
Book Magic System: Bibliomysticism Practitioners of bibliomysticism can enter books and interact with their contents. They may also manifest elements of stories into reality, and skilled bibliomancers can even rewrite the fabric of reality through manipulating written words.
Car Magic System: Vehiculurgy Vehiculurgists enchant vehicles to defy physics, change forms, or navigate difficult terrains. They might also communicate with vehicles on a supernatural level, gaining insights into their condition and history.
Ocean Magic System: Hydrokinesis Hydrokinetics control water, summoning waves, manipulating currents, and even shaping water into solid constructs. Advanced users could harness the power of storms or access the deep mysteries of the ocean’s depths.
Mountain Magic System: Geomancy Geomancers command the earth, moving mountains, shaping landscapes, and causing earthquakes. They may also tap into the geological history of an area to gain knowledge and insights.
Dog Magic System: Caninomancy Caninomancers form deep bonds with dogs, sharing senses and abilities. They can communicate telepathically with canines, enhance their physical attributes, and even transform into dogs temporarily.
Cat Magic System: Felinurgy Felinurgists have a mystical connection with cats, granting them agility, night vision, and the ability to see through illusions. They might also manipulate luck, as cats are often associated with mystery.
Music Magic System: Harmonics Harmonists manipulate reality through music, using different melodies and rhythms to create diverse effects. Their abilities could range from influencing emotions to altering the weather based on musical compositions.
Painting Magic System: Chromamagica Chromamages bring paintings to life, stepping into the worlds they create. They can imbue their art with magical properties, and in some cases, their painted creatures might even become sentient.
Game Magic System: Ludomancy Ludomancers can manipulate the rules and outcomes of games, turning them into tools for divination or even battlefield strategies. They might also pull elements from games into reality, like summoning game-themed weaponry.
River Magic System: Aquarune Aquarunists connect with the flow of rivers, sensing events upstream and downstream. They can purify water, create watery paths, and even shape water into complex structures.
Sunset Magic System: Twilight Arcana Twilight mages draw power from the transition between day and night. They can manipulate shadows, enhance their senses in low light, and harness the unique magic that emerges during the sunset.
Star Magic System: Astralurgy Astralurgists harness the energy of celestial bodies, casting spells based on the positions of stars and planets. They might predict future events by reading the cosmos or communicate across vast distances through starlight.
Castle Magic System: Fortificationism Fortificationists imbue castles and structures with defensive magic. They create barriers, enhance walls’ resilience, and may even bring stone gargoyles to life as guardians.
Sword Magic System: Enknightment Enknighters form bonds with swords, gaining heightened combat skills and forging a spiritual connection. They might unlock the sword’s history or unleash devastating attacks by channeling their magic through the blade.
Flower Magic System: Floramancy Floramancers manipulate plants, causing rapid growth, controlling vines, and even creating toxic blooms for offensive purposes. They may also communicate with plants to gather information from their surroundings.
Cloud Magic System: Nebulomancy Nebulomancers shape and control clouds, altering weather patterns and creating misty illusions. They might use clouds as transportation or transform them into solid structures.
Computer Magic System: Codetrix Codetricks manipulate digital environments, writing and rewriting code to manipulate technology. They could hack into systems, create virtual constructs, and potentially manifest elements of their digital creations into the physical world.
Adventure Magic System: Peregrinationism Peregrinists draw magic from their journey and exploration. They might tap into the energy of new places, uncover hidden paths, and gain insights into the mysteries of the world as they travel.🏰 Fantasy Writer
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📚 Appreciator of BooksLove it! It’s a solid, straight forward system. I agree with Jonas’ assessment, though perhaps there are more creative ways of exploring that other than just making it a higher rank. Like what if they are the analogues of the previous two simply expressed by a different people, race, gender, ect. Or perhaps the Soulbinders and Endreavers are the same as Threadcasters and Bondrenders, but use forbidden forms of their magic respectively, labeling them as seperate.
Yes, I suppose that I might to some extent have/do something like that. I probably would just use it to have a naming convention for things though.
Yeah, it’s all up to you, I just think it’s fun.
ChatGPT is has always been quite amusing😂
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
One idea for a magic system that’s been banging around in my head for a while now, but I haven’t quite been able to figure it out is a paradox magic system. I’m specifically thinking of things like russels paradox. Imagine a magic system that is in some way analogues to the principles of set theory. It is a perfectly consistent system, where if you do x, y will happen. But this all falls apart when the system becomes somehow self referential. Like a set that contains all sets that don’t contain themselves, the system would create a major hole in the structure of reality! Like the divide by zero joke everyone makes, where a black hole appears and eats everything. What if there isn’t a black hole though, what if reality really has this inconsistency, and lets it exist, how would that logically work, while, by definition, be illogical. Could there be a way to localize the problem, so that it doesn’t ruin everything, but then somehow manipulate that broken piece of reality?
What do you guys think?
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
@thearcaneaxiom That’s definitely an interesting idea. I’m having a bit of a hard time imagining what it would be like, based only on math, but I get the idea of it. It could probably be really cool. What is Russel’s paradox?
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📚 Appreciator of BooksYou’ve done it again… my brain is broken 😂
From what I understand, that sounds like a cool idea, though!
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Lol, thanks! Is there anything I can do to help reassemble your brain?
Yeah, since math is basically the language of our universe, and systems like set theory were originally intended to unify mathematics, then could there be a system of laws in reality that mimic that?
Russel’s paradox is basically what ruined the goal of unifying mathematics. Set theory in a intuitive explanation, says anything can be contained within a set, whether it be objects, numbers, letters, concepts, or even other sets. There’s a lot of really cool math going on here, and it is indeed very fundamental and influential to mathematics to this day, however, one of the accepted axioms, is that a set can even contain itself. For example, the set of all sets. Every set that exists, must exist within this set, but this itself is a set, and therefore must exist within itself. It’s perhaps odd, but doesn’t seem problematic. However, consider the set of all sets that don’t contain themselves, does this set contain itself? Give a moment to think about it… we find that this concept is impossible. If the set contains itself, then it breaks the definition, because it contains a set that contains itself, and therefore doesn’t work. Fine, so what if it doesn’t contain itself? If it doesn’t contain itself, then by definition, it’s supposed to be part of the set, since it is the set of ALL sets that don’t contain themselves. Either way, the whole system breaks, making set theory as a whole a big old failure. It is still accepted as fundamental, and most set theorists just make a condition saying that sets can’t contain themselves, but it is still a sad hole.
He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.
Okay. That makes sense. So with this idea, there would be paradoxes in the magic system that cause it not to work right? That is a cool idea. That gives me another interesting idea. What if there was a magic system that worked like a computer system, including glitches? Maybe a world where people have to somehow design magic systems like writing a program, and so there are kinks and glitches?
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📚 Appreciator of BooksExactly! That is very much similar to what I am thinking. It would make sense if they were mortally designed, making the problem a human flaw, though I was thinking of it as some universal inconsistency within reality.
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I think human designed magic systems is an interesting ideas. It’s funny how some magic systems seem like they must be, but it’s never stated. For example, how did the magic in Harry Potter come about? It includes a lot of words based on Latin, which would imply that it was created by humans. I can’t think of anything that actually explores human created magic systems.
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