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    Keilah H.
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      @orangearmadillo Erm, Da Vinci was the one who painted the Mona Lisa. LOL sorry about getting in on your conversation, I just wanted to point that out.

      Where'd I get ya this time? The liver? The kidney? I'm runnin' outta places to put holes in ya.

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      TheArcaneAxiom
      @thearcaneaxiom
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        @orangearmadillo

        Imma back!

        Again, excellent points! I think I agree whole heartedly. Although, If God coexists with mathematics, is there a set of Axioms that defined His nature? This is more related to the other forum you created, but there’s still a whole lot to ponder in this regard. I think I must disagree that asking why Picasso didn’t paint the Mona Lisa differently though. I think why did Picasso get credit for painting the Mona Lisa is a better question XD

        Anyways, regarding your question. Currently at least I would consider myself a bit agnostic towards evolution. If that is how God created things, sure, why not. I see the very clear evidence of it. We talk about Adam and Eve, but how much of that is more just abstraction? The evidence for evolution is great, but there is much very compelling evidence that funnily enough is deliberately hidden away that suggests the contrary. Effort to assert the idea of Evolution has gone as far as for example breaking an ancient ape’s hip bone in order to resemble a human more to show an earlier state of humanity. If someone really believes in evolution, why would they lie and change the data? Ultimately I think evolution must be accepted to some degree, because we can observe it in real time. However, whether or not it is to the extent many assert, I’m skeptical, but not dismissive. But can similar bone structures and genetic make-up not also be explained by a single creator? As Picasso only makes Picasso paintings, and they all share their Picasso-ness. I land on a very in-between level here at this time, though that may change. What about you?

        He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.

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        OrangeArmadillo
        @orangearmadillo
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          @keilah-h

          Honestly, I laughed aloud after reading that XD I didn’t even think about it 😀

           


          @thearcaneaxiom

          Well, the evolution we see in real time is evolution in regard to change within a kind, not change of kind. We have never seen in fossil records nor in person a single change of one creature to another creature. We can also look at Genesis 1 where it says that the creatures reproduced “according to their kinds”.  The reason why so many scientists deny the truth and accept evolution is because they don’t want to believe in God. They want to believe in evolution so much that they ignore all the evidence against it.

          Theistic evolution would be, as you said, God creating things in such a way that the dominoes fell and produced all the different species and kinds we see today. The only two problems with that are one, there’s no evidence for it, and two, Genesis says that’s not how God did it.

          Scientifically, Darwinist evolution should not even be considered theory, just a hypothesis. It has no evidence, therefore it can’t fit the definition of a scientific theory.

          Picasso-ness heheh XD

          The measure of a man is how much bacon he eats.

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          TheArcaneAxiom
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            @orangearmadillo

            Absolutely! As I said, there seems to be a lot of false evidence pushed, again, such as snapping an ape’s hip bone to look more like a human, therefore showing it’s early stage. I wouldn’t be so fast to shoot down some points though, such as bone structure, and genes, however it is greatly exaggerated, and again, can also point to a single creator. I once again ask the question of how much of Genesis is abstractions, however “according to their kinds” is very solid. I would say that is where I land though, It is obvious a kind changes, but I don’t think it changes kind as you put it. I don’t mind if another Christian believes otherwise though, they may simply think that Genesis is abstraction, which in some partial extent, it may be, or it might not. It’s their interpretation, and I don’t think it harms their salvation, as long as they still believe in and follow Christ and His Gospel.

            He is perfect in Justice, yet He is perfect in Mercy, even when we fail Him. For this, He is good.

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