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November 4, 2015 at 2:23 pm #7198
millions of blue blistering barnacles!
- This reply was modified 9 years ago by Hope Ann.
INTJ - Inhumane. No-feelings. Terrible. Judgment and doom on everyone.
November 4, 2015 at 5:45 pm #7208@kate-flournoy That makes it even better. Yes, much better, and I think his best friend should employ some creative magic tricks to stop him – though it won’t be good enough.
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November 4, 2015 at 6:28 pm #7212millions of blue blistering barnacles!
Yes! XD I love that one. And “Thundering Typhoons”.
Though I believe it was “billions”… 😛November 4, 2015 at 7:25 pm #7220Oooh— what kind of magic tricks?
November 4, 2015 at 7:54 pm #7222The more impossible the better, though packing an elephant in a suitcase is probably a stretch. I carrying things in almost impossible places would be a good one though. Also disappearing and escape tricks. Also making things look different then they really are or totally faking a scenario using magic to confuse Walter.
To illustrate, let’s say that this guy invites some of Walter’s men to come to a meeting under a pretense they would be drawn to, though the real reason is to use some very carefully crafted questions, statements and magic tricks/just tricks to get information out of them. He succeeds but the men finally see what he’s up to. They draw on him but just as they do so a thick cloud suddenly fills the room. It disappears just as quickly as it came and when it does, he is gone and there are metal bars blocking the men from all path of escape.
Yeah, magician stuff. Look it up if you want specifics.
The big thing about this guy though is that while he is fighting against Walter, his goal is not to defeat him, but to win him back to how he used to be.
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November 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm #7228Okay. Good plan.
Are we outlining a full fledged story, or just as far as it pertains to Walter’s development? I’m cool with either one.
November 5, 2015 at 1:19 pm #7230@writefury Billions…yes, I do believe you’re right. 😉
INTJ - Inhumane. No-feelings. Terrible. Judgment and doom on everyone.
November 6, 2015 at 12:53 pm #7257Okay, so we have a lot of material to work with. Please, anyone feel free to join in.
Unless you don’t like these kind of exercises, in which case feel free to sit on the sidelines and laugh up your sleeves while I and whoever else so chooses make fools of ourselves. 😛
So. Walter. What do we mean by charming and mesmerizing? Is it his smile? Is it his voice? Is it his bearing? What? What is it that makes him mesmerizing?
And how amid all this mesmerizing charm do we still remember his evilness? Because we need to be both drawn to him and repulsed by him.
Ideas, anyone?
November 6, 2015 at 1:11 pm #7258Anonymous- Rank: Loyal Sidekick
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In general, one way to make people sympathize with or like villains would be first show the villain as a victim, in an experience which he allowed to turn him evil. One thing interesting to do would be to have two people experience the same thing and show how they respond affects who they become. For instance two brothers’ family is killed and the one brother becomes hard and cruel while the other becomes more sympathetic to others.
November 6, 2015 at 1:27 pm #7259Yes! That’s what we’ve got going here. In the first few posts we have two friends, Walter and Alex.
Walter’s family was killed by terrorists, and he suspected Alex of conspiring with the terrorists to that end. So he went and became a villain (I make it sound so easy, don’t I?) and then he killed Alex’s family. The difference is, Alex didn’t react by going and becoming a villain. He’s trying to win Walter back. And that’s where we are right now.November 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm #7260November 6, 2015 at 3:44 pm #7265Who on earth is that? 😛
November 6, 2015 at 3:53 pm #7266Loki of Asgard…you haven’t seen any of the avenger movies? 😉
- This reply was modified 9 years ago by Hope Ann.
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November 6, 2015 at 7:08 pm #7268No, I haven’t. 😀
He looks like quite an interesting villain though.
November 6, 2015 at 11:09 pm #7276Oh my, things have been happening on my precious little thread and I wasn’t even here to see it. No time to spare though. Keep talking about how bad heroes can be made extreeeeeeeeemely attractive (not villains mind you, bad heroes). Yes, you see, the show must go on.
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