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    Linus Smallprint
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      Hello everyone,

      I am having an issue with my characters. I have written too much down on their development sheets. I know I use the pen name Linus Smallprint, but this is not because I write little. It is because I write so much that I have to use a small font size to fit everything on one page! This is a problem because I find it hard to remember everything and four thousand word documents on the character are intimidating. I don’t know how I can take what I have written and compress it into a smaller article that I can quickly reference as I am writing.

      I have asked a similar question recently, and Sara recommended Reedsy, which I have found helpful, but I am still trying to figure out how I can reduce what I have written into a quick reference for the character’s overall personality.

      If it would help, I can share with you an example of one of my characters’ development sheets, and you could help me identify what is unnecessary in it.

      Thank you!

      #179864
      whaley
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        @linus-smallprint

        Please, share an example of one of your sheets!

        I’ll pull up one of my sheets and see if I can find how I condense it. Brb.

        “Everything is a mountain”

        #179865
        whaley
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          Okay. So usually I have a detailed bio for a character, but can still condense it into a small section if I ever need to share it with someone, summarize an intro in my outline, etc.

          I just go with this, as an example, with a known MC of mine.

          Name: Marcel, Mars (nickname), Waltman (last name in office records but isn’t his)

          Species/race/origin: Unspecified immortal entity, looks to be half-god half-human

          Age: Roughly 500, looks to be 15-16

          Appearance: A boy with round features and strong shoulders. White skin, besides magical tattoos which are invisible to the human eye. Thick, curly pink hair and turquoise eyes. Has snowy white wings which grow magically from his shoulder blades; these feathers can also create a thin, rose-like pattern over his body, but only when needed for god protection. They often twist into feathery spirals along his cheeks when he’s passionate or thoughtful. Wears sweaters over dress shirts, or t-shirts with random band or comic logos. Often has a quietly determined expression.

          Personality: ISTP, Enneagram researched but undecided. Marcel is a stoic individual who, above everything, has a calm demeanor in any fight scene. He can appear grumpy or blunt, but is gentle at heart and is the best at giving awkward friend advice. Has a goofy sense of humor that he often performs with a straight face. His personal goal is to become a superhero/protect his home spaces and loved ones, but the world has a goal for him too. His magical heritage is the key to defeating demons. He is always trying to understand his place in the world, while simultaneously building the foundation for his “second” life.

          Abilities/quirks/defining actions/anything important contributed to story: God powers… (here I would fully explore his power set and role in the world) (Might be a little longer than the section above)

          Backstory/how they got to this point: [REDACTED] I know what it is, but horses will not drive it out of me XD Again, similar length.

          Story notes/relationship dynamics: As long as needed, to explore relationships with each side character. This doesn’t need to be too detailed. Just a couple sentences about each relationship is fine. It also depends on how many side characters you have in the first place.

          “Everything is a mountain”

          #179866
          whaley
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            Hopefully that helps you estimate length :] Thinks like hair color and eye color only need one sentence unless they’re important. Same with clothes and body type.

            If you need to summarize a character super quickly, pick the most important details and put in a few sentences, like this:

            Marcel is a young superhero with a heart of gold. With angel-like wings and bubblegum hair, he may look odd – but he is the perfect candidate to save the world he comes to love.

            Boom. Done. It’s a lot like summarizing a book, if that visualizes it for you.

            “Everything is a mountain”

            #179878
            Linus Smallprint
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              @whalekeeper

              I don’t even know if I should try to put the whole thing in for one Character, or else everyone is going to have to do a lot of scrolling. I will give you the link to my one OneDrive Word document instead. I don’t usually describe how characters look in these, because I draw pictures of them as you will see I have done in this document: (https://1drv.ms/w/s!AiULMmf16Ny8gpVYbr_UdLH7lIDC2w?e=zgxdds)

              ISTP. Do you do personality tests on your characters?

              Here is my attempt at a summary for Alan:

              Alan Wherl, a wizard scared by using the twisted magic of his world, is determined to prove himself a hero. This is hard because his scars make him part monster and most people, himself included, fear that one day he will return to magic and fully transform into a monstrous crow-like creature. He also hopes that one day, he will find his parents, who were also corrupted by magic, but this is unlikely. While he struggles with worry and doubt at times, Alan has a fierce determination and once he sets his mind on a task, he will aim to complete it. He can get lost in thought, but this also makes him creative and imaginative. He has a strong heroic ego (which can annoy his few friends at times), and is willing to risk his life for others.

              #179879
              Linus Smallprint
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                I should note that this sheet is a little outdated but still mostly accurate.

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                whaley
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                  @linus-smallprint

                  Before I say anything else, I have to comment on how hilarious your “Alan’s favorite ice-cream” analysis is XDXD

                  ISTP. Do you do personality tests on your characters?

                  Yes. These types are not a be-all-end-all for me; they aren’t as important as say, the main internal struggles. But Meyers-Briggs captures some of the things I like to know immediately if I’m writing a new POV – and I’ve noticed that if a writer’s characters tend to have the same types, the writer needs to broaden their voice. And the Enneagram is super helpful with the internal stuff.

                  Here is my attempt at a summary for Alan

                  Sounds fine!

                  For your sheet (which I did read ;)), it was probably written while you were still searching for Alan’s inner thoughts and struggles – so most of it is repetitive. But it works well as a mental flow sheet.

                  Like you said, you want a practical sheet to reference. I would keep this document the way it is, and make a new one (which I’ll call Alan – Practical Sheet). With this, instead of going through a bunch of open-ended questions, have a logical list of Alan’s traits.

                  Things like:

                  – Personal information

                  – Appearance (You can put the picture here, plus extra info!)

                  – Abilities

                  – Basic personality

                  -Backstory

                  – Inner motives/goals/struggles

                  …Etc. You can order the list any way your brain likes XD Then take what you wrote in the flow sheet (which is all inner struggles) and condense it into one of those categories.

                  This sheet achieves the logical side of things. You get an overview of how your character appears to others, in a mostly factual style. Like blurbs on the back of a book, it gives you a feel for voice, style, and your character’s vibe.

                  “Everything is a mountain”

                  #180163
                  whaley
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                    I know it looks like more to add!! But at least for me, this list condenses the info and makes it easier to sort through.

                    And don’t feel bad about long docs; my full character profile for the kid I mentioned is like… 5k words and unfinished ;P

                    “Everything is a mountain”

                    #180201
                    Linus Smallprint
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                      @whalekeeper

                      Okay, thank you for the help. I think this will help me organize. What you say about my original document makes sense, it’s more for developing the character than referencing it.

                      I hope to finish some character sheets soon then I hope to introduce to everyone some characters in the main cast of The Narrow Path Trilogy

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                      whaley
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                        @linus-smallprint

                        Glad I could give you some direction! If nothing else XD

                        I was wondering. Alan’s profile affirmed several times that he is seen as a monster. Do you mean the common folk eventually discover his wizard powers and then think he’s a monster, or is there some obvious trait on him that people see immediately? From your drawing, he seems like a normal dude who can hide if he wants to. I’m just curious 😊

                        “Everything is a mountain”

                        #180210
                        Linus Smallprint
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                          Yes, he can keep what he is secret, but it has a way of coming out. Sometimes, when he is surprised, he caws like a crow, and his hairstyle is a little odd, which can get the attention of someone who knows what to look for (Alan feels that his hair makes it obvious what he is and tries to hide it under a hat, unfortunately for him, the lyens are proud of their manes and do not cover them up. This has come into the culture of Klaw and wearing hats indoors or shaving your head bald is rude and draws more suspicion than the way Alan’s hair currently is. Once he joins the army, he is not even allowed a hat outdoors. Those crazy lyens…) So others often do discover what Alan is and distance themselves from him once they know.

                          #180279
                          whaley
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                            @linus-smallprint

                            Cool! Good to know; thank you for clarifying ;P

                            “Everything is a mountain”

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